Another cheer Trotsky will not approve of ...

[Will]

I'm not sure if it's a double standard on my part, or perhaps just a personal bias in favor of a player for my favorite team, but I have no problem with the "Victoria" thing while I take serious issue with anyone making fun of McKee due to his dyslexia et al.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Drew]On another note, during the National Anthem you guys yell RED! and we yell     (K)NIGHT!  (I don't yell anything, just the way I was raised.) I don't have a problem with either side putting emphasis on either RED or NIGHT as I think it is clever play on words, but I think adding SUCKS after "knight" during the anthem is a little tasteless. JMO not intended for a flamefest.[/quote]

I think it's on a different level.  (I thought Clarkson fans--as well as others--also yelled "SUCKS" after "RED".)  "Red" and "night" are actual words in the national anthem.  "Suck" (and "Sioux") are not.  So when some sanctimonious PA announcer tells me not to cheer during the anthem because our troups are overseas defending our freedoms, I still sing one word (much) louder than the others.  But I will refrain from using words not in the anthem if asked.

[billhoward]

If your uncle died in Vietnam defending free speech, then by all means, use it.

But be prepared for rinks where townspeople fans will bristle when anything interferes with the national anthem. That is one sticking point between Cornell fans at the Florida Classic and the Fort Myers/Estero area townspeople who attend.

[Drew]

Let me rephrase that, I think yelling sucks after Night and Red is tasteless.

[Rosey]

[quote Drew]Let me rephrase that, I think yelling sucks after Night and Red is tasteless.[/quote]
I prefer the approach of screaming the word before the offending word (in our case "Night" or "You"; in your case "Red") to either lessen the impact or throw the opposing fans off.

Unfortunately, I tried this at Union and was the only person in the entire section to scream "Can!"

Kyle

[Trotsky]

[quote billhoward]One nice thing about so many kids being classified as special needs or differently abled or whatever ... is that there's much less of a stigma compared to a generation ago.[/quote]

My daughter is dyslexic, and nobody in her school would dream of making fun of her for it.  And this is amidst the tumultuous 9th grade female angstfest where every girl who looks at you funny is instantly a "whore," etc...  People have definitely come a long way from when "four eyes" and "retard" were part of the serious adolescent lexicon.

I've been helping her with reading and writing for seven years, and while she has gotten better, it is always something she'll have to work around.  Her particular manifestation comes in two forms.  Simple transpositions, letter mix-ups, and "letter doubling," which any spellcheck can help with.  But the more serious effect is errant word completion.  As we "ordinary" readers process a word, we start winnowing down the choices as we move through the letters.  So, by the time you get through "posit--"you've got a pretty good start on reading the word "position."  But my daughter may start that word as "possib--".  Her brain is just as quick (likely quicker) than that of most people reading this post, so she jumps right ahead with "possible" and keeps reading.  Of course, the sentence now makes no sense at all, which means she has to go back and read it.  She'll probably read it the same way 4 or 5 times before she sees the error and corrects for it.

Now multiply that by, say, 60 misreads over a dozen pages, mix in adolescence and self-doubt and feeling ashamed of not being able to read as fast as her friends, and imagine what it's like for her to go through a typical day of school.  She has her work read to her as much as possible, but that introduces all sorts of social issues which are their own burden.

As I said, people don't give her any crap about it -- even the cruelest kids seem to recognize that some things are simply beyond the pale.

[Beeeej]

[quote Trotsky]As I said, people don't give her any crap about it -- even the cruelest kids seem to recognize that some things are simply beyond the pale.[/quote]

If that's true, that's great - but it's certainly a more recent development.

Beeeej

[Trotsky]

[quote Beeeej][quote Trotsky]As I said, people don't give her any crap about it -- even the cruelest kids seem to recognize that some things are simply beyond the pale.[/quote]

If that's true, that's great - but it's certainly a more recent development.
[/quote]

Well, it may also be because she's the sweetest girl in the world. :-)

[LynahFaithfulS]

[quote Trotsky]
My daughter is dyslexic, and nobody in her school would dream of making fun of her for it.  And this is amidst the tumultuous 9th grade female angstfest
...
As I said, people don't give her any crap about it -- even the cruelest kids seem to recognize that some things are simply beyond the pale.[/quote]

so basically what you are saying is the makers of that sign have less class than adolescent 9th graders...::worry::
sometimes people stoop reeeeaaaallllly low

[HeafDog]

[quote Drew]Let me rephrase that, I think yelling sucks after Night and Red is tasteless.[/quote]

I have to agree with you on that, my man.  I'd be lying if I said I had never yelled out "sucks" during the anthem, but I haven't done it in a while and don't think I'm going to do it anymore.  Why?  I'm no ultra-patriotic dude who never questions the government's actions, but there's something special about the national anthem that should be held sacred.  (I wish I could find a different, maybe less strong, word besides "sacred", but that's the most fitting thing I can think of at the moment.)  We get close enough as it is by yelling out "red" or "(k)night", so turning the anthem into a screaming match (i.e., including "sucks") makes it even worse.

[LynahFaithfulS]

[quote Will]I'm not sure if it's a double standard on my part, or perhaps just a personal bias in favor of a player for my favorite team, but I have no problem with the "Victoria" thing while I take serious issue with anyone making fun of McKee due to his dyslexia et al.[/quote]

it's definitely a personal bias, which i hold as well :-P...but there is also definitely more to it than that

i think there is a line...for the "victoria" thing, the guy didn't have to give her his number, may think twice about doing so in the future, and can see it as a personal mistake. he will (did?) get crap about it from his friends i'm sure. and in the future may even laugh about it...

mckee can (and does) work hard to live with dyslexia and add, but ultimately, it's not a choice, like giving a phone number

i'll get off my soap box now, but i also have add. it's really just not funny, and it's irritating when people try to make it so. ok now i'm really done.

[Jerseygirl]

[quote Beeeej][quote Trotsky]As I said, people don't give her any crap about it -- even the cruelest kids seem to recognize that some things are simply beyond the pale.[/quote]

If that's true, that's great - but it's certainly a more recent development.

Beeeej[/quote]

More recent than 1999, for sure -- sadly, the first thing I thought when I saw the video of the autistic basketball player Jason McElwain's performance was, "that never would have happened at my high school." Anyone who was the littlest bit different was pretty much assured a healthy dose of marginalization. It was always fun to get extended time on AP tests and be accused of "cheating" by my peers.

But on the general topic of this thread, what I find amusing is that it seems people from areas (like NYC) and or social structures (post college, working 1,000 hours a week) where Internet dating is a totally acceptable (and perhaps preferred) method of socializing find this "Victoria" debacle far more appalling than people who live in places where you can just go up to someone and say, "hey big fella, how's it going?"

[Liz '05]

[quote Jerseygirl]
But on the general topic of this thread, what I find amusing is that it seems people from areas (like NYC) and or social structures (post college, working 1,000 hours a week) where Internet dating is a totally acceptable (and perhaps preferred) method of socializing find this "Victoria" debacle far more appalling than people who live in places where you can just go up to someone and say, "hey big fella, how's it going?"[/quote]

Or maybe it's just that more of us college (or immediately post-college)-age people have messed with someone over IM... ::uhoh::

I swear I've never pretended to be some imaginary person online and gotten back at anyone who's hurt my friend.

[Facetimer]

[quote Trotsky][quote Beeeej][quote Trotsky]As I said, people don't give her any crap about it -- even the cruelest kids seem to recognize that some things are simply beyond the pale.[/quote]

If that's true, that's great - but it's certainly a more recent development.
[/quote]

Well, it may also be because she's the sweetest girl in the world. :-)[/quote]

Your daughter's a whore!

EDIT:  I'm sorry.  While Greg and I don't see eye to eye on the appropriateness of cheers, this post was certainly inappropriate and crosses the line.  Greg, I've never met your daughter, I am sure she is very sweet and not a whore.

[Jerseygirl]

[quote Liz '05]
Or maybe it's just that more of us college (or immediately post-college)-age people have messed with someone over IM... ::uhoh::

I swear I've never pretended to be some imaginary person online and gotten back at anyone who's hurt my friend.[/quote]

I AM STILL IMMEDIATELY POST-COLLEGE! DEAR LORD!

I'm also probably far more confrontational than most people, so I guess it didn't occur to me that IM would be used to mess with someone rather than just going up to them and airing your grievances. Like at Festivus. Or you know, just picking up his or her pitcher of beer and "accidentally spilling" it on his or her back in a crowded bar...