Does anybody else

[jtwcornell91]

[quote jmh30][quote Cornell95]Another factor is that local and state level historical societies have been pushing architects to make stronger distinctions between existing structures and additions... this is one reason (there may be others as well) that the additon on Sage Hall (library plus other stuff) is so diferent in color and module from the historic building (man that was a cool project).[/quote]The story that had been going around campus after the Sage renovations were completed was that the new brick didn't match the old brick because they had selected new bricks to match the old bricks as they looked in the building, but then once the old bricks were cleaned up they weren't the same color.  Does sound kind of boneheaded for a big university with a good architecture school, maybe your explanation is actually true.[/quote]

Your story sounds reminiscent of the legend of Uris Hall's rust, which was supposed to turn appealing colors rather than just ... rusty.

[David Harding]

[quote jtwcornell91]
Your story sounds reminiscent of the legend of Uris Hall's rust, which was supposed to turn appealing colors rather than just ... rusty.[/quote]That's a true one: http://ezra.cornell.edu/posting.php?timestamp=1135659600#question1

[ugarte]

[quote WillR]If anyone can think of a great place that existed on the inside I am all ears.[/quote]It was the best dorm on campus. I lived there for one semester before getting kicked out to turn the building into Language House. The rooms were huge, the halls were wide enough for real (and violent) hall sports, and it was as close as you could get to ILR or the Engineering Quad.

[Beeeej]

[quote jmh30][quote Cornell95]Another factor is that local and state level historical societies have been pushing architects to make stronger distinctions between existing structures and additions... this is one reason (there may be others as well) that the additon on Sage Hall (library plus other stuff) is so diferent in color and module from the historic building (man that was a cool project).[/quote]The story that had been going around campus after the Sage renovations were completed was that the new brick didn't match the old brick because they had selected new bricks to match the old bricks as they looked in the building, but then once the old bricks were cleaned up they weren't the same color.  Does sound kind of boneheaded for a big university with a good architecture school, maybe your explanation is actually true.[/quote]

It is completely true.  The development folks were informed about the difference between old and new and the reasons for it before the renovations took place.  The story you heard is especially absurd when you consider that the bricks are not only different colors, but different sizes and composition.

Beeeej

[WillR]

I obviously have not looked at the plans as much as you all have -shame on me.  But i think 400 more seats is a great thing to do.  Like others i would love to have seen stands in the west end but parking is scarce and since clearing woods to park more cars is unpopular.....

I think preservering the character of Lynah is important if for no other reason that to keep things the similar enough for the fans, but it is secondary.  Wait, do not label me a blasphemer yet.  Ultimately one factor people have overlooked in discussions is that what makes Lynah great are the people and the team put in it.    

That said when we go on the road to follow our favorite team, the opposition KNOWS we are there.  Even when outnumbered we do our best not to be outgunned.  I think as long as we can keep the character of the people inside and that hostile attmosphere then any change will work out just fine. That said if they replace the plywood on the roof with something that absorbs noise then we might have a problem.  Can someone check on this?

-WillR

[Rosey]

[quote WillR]but parking is scarce and since clearing woods to park more cars is unpopular.....[/quote]
At the risk of going off-topic, I don't think this statement is quite accurate: as with basically every activist cause I associate with Ithaca and Cornell, this one began and was sustained by a very vocal but very small group.  In fact, more parking on campus would be very popular, even in an overgrown field.  But, I digress.

I think preservering the character of Lynah is important if for no other reason that to keep things the similar enough for the fans, but it is secondary.  Wait, do not label me a blasphemer yet.  Ultimately one factor people have overlooked in discussions is that what makes Lynah great are the people and the team put in it.

Yeah, but as you imply later, there are characteristics of the barn that help make the fans what they are.  You replace Walker with Cheel and what do you get?  A morgue, and basically a dead hockey tradition.  Now, I'd like to think that the Lynah faithful tradition could survive such a transition, but do you really want to take that chance?

Besides, there's something intangible about going back to Lynah: it's partially nostalgia---the feeling of going home to place in which I spent a lot of quality time---but it's just as much about the events I didn't witness there, but that I knew occurred in that building.

That second part would be all lost in the move to a new facility, and IMO that would be a bad thing, simply to get glossy new seats that are hard to stand on and a brand-spanking-new center ice scoreboard that insists on bleating out piped-in cuts of Aerosmith and AC/DC at every stoppage and that insists on a CHARGE! chant every few minutes.  No thanks: you can spruce up what we have and add a little capacity, but I don't want all the baggage that comes along with a new facility.

Cheers,
Kyle

[RichH]

[quote Beeeej] The story you heard is especially absurd [/quote]

Ladies and Gentlemen...the new Johnnie Cochran.

[Beeeej]

[quote RichH][quote Beeeej] The story you heard is especially absurd [/quote]

Ladies and Gentlemen...the new Johnnie Cochran.[/quote]

Ha!  :-}  And it was totally unintentional.

(And quite unconventional.)

Beeeej

[WillR]

Krose,  

I think we are basically the same mind.

With parking, I merely wanted to point out the University might predictable want to avoid having to look for more spaces.  I think that expanding seating west makes the most sense and i am sorry they won't be doing it.  i am just not surprised.  If they are smart they would make an addition that does not remove this option in the future.

Also i didn't want to sound like i thought they could do a lot to Lynah let alone anything they desire such as some new faceless building.  i love it as it is and i too would prefer to see as little change as possible, right down to keeping the hockey locker room that the opposition and i use as unwelcoming as ever.  The less we move away from what is clearly a successful format, the better. I guess what i was trying to get at was that, i think the fans play a huge part and because of that we have a little wiggle room.  

-WillR

[Rosey]

[quote WillR]With parking, .... If they are smart they would make an addition that does not remove this option in the future.

Also i didn't want to sound like i thought they could do a lot to Lynah let alone anything they desire such as some new faceless building. .... i think the fans play a huge part and because of that we have a little wiggle room.[/quote]
Agreed on both counts.

As for parking, Cornell should solicit donations for a huge new, 5,000-spot parking garage right in front of Clark Hall.  It would have the dual positive impact of hiding Clark Hall from the rest of campus and providing central campus parking to whomever wanted it.  I'd donate to that.

Kyle

[nyc94]

[quote krose]As for parking, Cornell should solicit donations for a huge new, 5,000-spot parking garage right in front of Clark Hall.  It would have the dual positive impact of hiding Clark Hall from the rest of campus and providing central campus parking to whomever wanted it.  I'd donate to that. [/quote]

I'm not the only one that hates Clark Hall! :-) Yet another ugly Cornell building attached to not one but two reasonably attractive buildings.  At least they are attached at the corners rather than along one entire side (I'm still baffled by Duffield).

Anyone know how hard it would be to put another deck on the parking garage?  If they can put a four story penthouse on a six story brownstone in Greenwich Village I think they can do anything.

[Winnabago]

[quote Cornell95]  While on the topic, what ever happened to that design monstrosity that was going to replace Rand on the corner of the Arts Quad?
[/quote]


They have moved on to architect #3.  Too many chiefs....

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Jan06/Arch.Koolhaas.lm.html

[canuck89]

No.  The cooling pipes that run beneath the ice are very efficient and effective -- especially since new ones were put in ~4-5 years ago.  To me, the ice hasn't looked slushy, it's just been uneven (hence the bounces).

To see the effectiveness of the cooling, notice how it only takes 6-7 minutes for the ice to freeze.  For those of you who were at the Rochester game (BC arena), the ice there took >10 before play start and was still nonfrozen.

The main reason for puck bounces would naturally be uneven ice which gets worse as the game goes on.  One resurfacing (between periods) does not do enough to fully restore deep grooves created by skates.  In this same light, due to practices and such, the ice will always be best at the beginning of the season or after a long break.

[RichH]

[quote nyc94]I'm not the only one that hates Clark Hall! :-) [/quote]

Yeah, but how many of you were doomed to actually toil away in that hideous place?
*sheepishly raises hand*  Every time I drive into town on Rt. 79, that beast just sits right in my line of sight...taunting me.

[quote krose]As for parking, Cornell should solicit donations for a huge new, 5,000-spot parking garage right in front of Clark Hall.  It would have the dual positive impact of hiding Clark Hall from the rest of campus and providing central campus parking to whomever wanted it.  I'd donate to that. [/quote]

Too late.
http://www.cornellsun.com/media/paper866/news/2006/01/25/News/C.u-Plans.To.Construct.New.Building.And.Plaza-1503926.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.cornellsun.com
[Q]Just a bit down the hill from Bailey Hall, there are designs for an estimated $125 million new physical sciences building to replace the circle and parking between Baker, Clark and Rockefeller Halls. Part of the New Life Sciences Initiative, the space will be designated for the chemistry, chemical biology and physics departments in arts and sciences and applied and engineering physics in engineering.[/Q]

[canuck89]

I would like to speak up and say that this renovation might possibly be better than adding the seats to the West end.  I think we all underestimate the impact that the giant cinderblock wall has on the acoustics of the rink.  Removing that wall and replacing it with seats would reduce the noise level MUCH more compared to the planned renovations for next year.