sun article on hockey fans

[cmp25]

I want to say that since Chris gave us several weeks to have a chance to respond, the former sports editors and I will be putting together a response over break to be printed in Letters to the Editor. As I mentioned above, I am ashamed that this article A) was printed and B) came from the current sports editor. This stems from both my being a former Daily Sun member and a current (and permanent) Cornell hockey fan.

I know there is a push to not respond at all, to give this article no credence. I do see that point. But this article hurt me very personally, and has upset a number of former sports editors. Not only did we protect and cherish Cornell hockey history during our tenures, but attempted to enhance it. That was our charge. For us, this goes beyond lashing out at the all-important fan. This is a direct attack at everything that we spent time to build.

I won't apologize for Chris, but I will apologize for the Sun. The paper isn't simply a daily publication, it's a chronicling of our University's history. In that vein, we try year in and year out to select the people who understand this and are up to the task. Apprently that didn't happen this time around.

[Tub(a)]

He should probably take his talents to the restaurant review section.

I really want to know if they ask the right questions about cooking eggs at the State Street Diner.

[Scott Goldsmith \'96]

ccm29@cornell.edu

Courtesy Facebook

I already sent him an email.

[Ben Rocky '04]

Its fine and dandy to make fun of him on the forum, but this needs to stop. Seriously, who cares what some silly communications major thinks about being a Cornell hockey fan.

[billhoward]

Please consider the possibility Chris Mascaro has a point that isn't negated by a couple typos or missing punctuation marks: Some Cornell fans have become boors. From some posts, it sounds as if people want to shoot the messenger rather than acknowlege the message. So much for the idea of the university and its extensions as a place for civil discourse (plus the Sieve cheer) and hearing out multiple viewpoints.

[Q]redhair34 Wrote:  I wonder if this article could jeopordize his press credentials?  I ask this without any knowledge about how they are handed out.  It seems to me that Cornell Athletics would be free to revoke anyone's press credentials for whatever reason they see fit (note: I'm not reccomending they should).  Maybe someone with more intimate knowlege could clear this up. [/q]Revoke Mascaro's press credentials for what: writing an opinion piece that made some legitimate points? Anyway, he's more likely to get a floral arrangement signed "Attaboy and best wishes -- Andy Noel" than an escort to the exit. It'll be easier for the athletic department to toss unruly fans in the wake of the publicity. As that happens, whose fault is it: The one who wrote about the fans, or the fanatics who pushed the limits?

(One gets press credentials by being a writer or announcer for recognized media who regularly cover Cornell hockey (or who are really big and want to cover Cornell hockey once in a while, such as NY Times or Sports Illustrated): newspaper, the occasional magazine, radio, TV, major Web sites that aren't fan sites (though one could argue Ari's eLynah pieces are balanced enough and serious enough to merit credentialing). Whether you're pro or con isn't an issue. If hewing to the company line was a pre-requisite for press credentials, White House press conferences would be just about empty.)

[DeltaOne81]

[Q]Please consider the possibility Chris Mascaro has a point that isn't negated by a couple typos or missing punctuation marks: Some Cornell fans have become boors.[/Q]

Read the article again. If this was anywhere near his point, then not being a pompous, informal jackass may help get it across. Or, maybe he's just a pompous jackass.

[Will]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

So much for the idea of the university and its extensions as a place for civil discourse (plus the Sieve cheer) and hearing out multiple viewpoints.  [/q]

Civil discourse ends when a so-called journalist begins an article, "Lynah Faithful … SUCK! Lynah Faithful … SUCK!"  He isn't trying to be intelligent.  Either he's trying to be an asshole because he just wants to rattle our cages and get us talking about him (in which case, his article worked), or he's trying to be sarcastic to get a "point" across, except that he doesn't seem to be able to figure out what his ultimate point should be (villifying facetimers, saying the hardcore Faithful care too much about Cornell hockey, or saying our cheers aren't clever enough).  This isn't journalism; this is one person trying to garner as much attention as he can for no real cause except just to garner attention.

[redhair34]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

 Please consider the possibility Chris Mascaro has a point that isn't negated by a couple typos or missing punctuation marks: Some Cornell fans have become boors. From some posts, it sounds as if people want to shoot the messenger rather than acknowlege the message. So much for the idea of the university and its extensions as a place for civil discourse (plus the Sieve cheer) and hearing out multiple viewpoints.

[Q2]redhair34 Wrote:  I wonder if this article could jeopordize his press credentials?  I ask this without any knowledge about how they are handed out.  It seems to me that Cornell Athletics would be free to revoke anyone's press credentials for whatever reason they see fit (note: I'm not reccomending they should).  Maybe someone with more intimate knowlege could clear this up. [/Q]
Revoke Mascaro's press credentials for what: writing an opinion piece that made some legitimate points? Anyway, he's more likely to get a floral arrangement signed "Attaboy and best wishes -- Andy Noel" than an escort to the exit. It'll be easier for the athletic department to toss unruly fans in the wake of the publicity. As that happens, whose fault is it: The one who wrote about the fans, or the fanatics who pushed the limits?

 [/q]


Hey Bill...do me a favor.  Go back and read my post again.  All I asked was if it was a possibility.  Athletics has done stranger things.  I didn't suggest they do it.  It was more a question about athletics and their control over press credentials etc.  Please don't jump to conclusions.  You're basically preaching to the converted (except for your first two sentences).

[MNetravali]

Most people who take the time to make such an attack on other people have some underlying issues of their own.  ::screwy::  But that's OK.  The more time we waste discussing an article like this, the less time we have to enjoy Cornell hockey.  

[ben03]

this kid is a 5’6” second coming of Napoleon. i think that pretty much says all that needs to be said.

[WillR]

In addition to our intrepid reported knowing precious little about hockey, and next to nothing about Cornell hockey, he appears to also know less about what is presumably his native tongue.  This is a pity since as a sports writer without passion for the game I would hope that the writing was special.  Alas, it is not.  Someone should tell him that “sike" is a small river as opposed to psyche which while sounding the same has a somewhat different meaning.  

[French Rage]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

 Please consider the possibility Chris Mascaro has a point that isn't negated by a couple typos or missing punctuation marks: Some Cornell fans have become boors. From some posts, it sounds as if people want to shoot the messenger rather than acknowlege the message. So much for the idea of the university and its extensions as a place for civil discourse (plus the Sieve cheer) and hearing out multiple viewpoints.

[Q2]redhair34 Wrote:  I wonder if this article could jeopordize his press credentials?  I ask this without any knowledge about how they are handed out.  It seems to me that Cornell Athletics would be free to revoke anyone's press credentials for whatever reason they see fit (note: I'm not reccomending they should).  Maybe someone with more intimate knowlege could clear this up. [/Q]
Revoke Mascaro's press credentials for what: writing an opinion piece that made some legitimate points? Anyway, he's more likely to get a floral arrangement signed "Attaboy and best wishes -- Andy Noel" than an escort to the exit. It'll be easier for the athletic department to toss unruly fans in the wake of the publicity. As that happens, whose fault is it: The one who wrote about the fans, or the fanatics who pushed the limits?

(One gets press credentials by being a writer or announcer for recognized media who regularly cover Cornell hockey (or who are really big and want to cover Cornell hockey once in a while, such as NY Times or Sports Illustrated): newspaper, the occasional magazine, radio, TV, major Web sites that aren't fan sites (though one could argue Ari's eLynah pieces are balanced enough and serious enough to merit credentialing). Whether you're pro or con isn't an issue. If hewing to the company line was a pre-requisite for press credentials, White House press conferences would be just about empty.) [/q]

What did he mention we/they do that qualifies as "boor"ish.  The only thing that would come close might be the phone number thing.  The rest - "RED!", bend over, fish, "sucks", tubas - are not even remotely in that area; they're part of just being good intense fans.  Perhaps he might feel more at home with a more blue-blooded crowd at a polo game or something.

[Dafatone]

He did start to make one decent point, then lose himself in self-righteousness.

Fans who don't actually know any hockey at all can be really annoying.  It's fine if you're not a huge sports person, and good to see enthusiasm anyway.  Just frustrating at the person who starts to wave every time there's a penalty, because they can't tell it's on us, for example.

[ugarte]

[Q]w Wrote:
To see how I made this webpage, poop into your own hand and upload it to the world wide web.[/q]Not that I don't think Mascaro is a dick, but in a thread mostly filled with defensive whining, this was awesome.

[Robb]

[Q]cbuckser Wrote:

 Perhaps Cornell Athletics should pay Daily Sun staffers to publish favorable articles and opinion pieces.   [/q]

What makes you think Andy Noel didn't sponsor THIS article?   ::uhoh::