Union 2 @ Cornell 1 (postgame thread 11/18/05)

[Trotsky]

[Q]Will Wrote:

 [Q2]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

I find it truly hard to believe that in the year 2005 someone would have such a backward attitude toward something like this.[/Q]
You'd be surprised at the pervasiveness of ignorance, even in this day and age.[/q]

Um, in "this day and age," states are voting science out of the classrooms to appease the whims of The Thunder God.  If you are still under the illusion that knowledge automatically pushes out ignorance, without a huge expenditure of blood and treasure to combat humanity's natural idiocy, think again.

[RichH]

Well, if it means anything, this week, another athlete discussed his ADHD publically also to bring awareness:

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051118&content_id=1270058&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

[Will]

[Q]Trotsky Wrote:

 [Q2]Will Wrote:

 [Q2]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

I find it truly hard to believe that in the year 2005 someone would have such a backward attitude toward something like this.[/Q]
You'd be surprised at the pervasiveness of ignorance, even in this day and age.[/Q]
Um, in "this day and age," states are voting science out of the classrooms to appease the whims of The Thunder God.  If you are still under the illusion that knowledge automatically pushes out ignorance, without a huge expenditure of blood and treasure to combat humanity's natural idiocy, think again.[/q]

Fine, you wouldn't be surprised, then. :-P

[ftyuv]

After reading that article, I had an odd thought.  I know next to nothing about ADD, so someone tell me if I'm completely off my rocker... but could it be that the treatment for ADD may contribute to his apparent lacklaster performance this year?  If ADD is responsible for his hyper-focused nature in games and his hands-on learning approach (as he said in the article), maybe the same training that's helping him focus on his studies is taking some of the intensity out of his game?  As I said, I don't know anything about ADD, and I don't mean this in any offensive way by any means.  Just a curiosity.

[Will]

[Q]ftyuv Wrote:

 After reading that article, I had an odd thought.  I know next to nothing about ADD, so someone tell me if I'm completely off my rocker... but could it be that the treatment for ADD may contribute to his apparent lacklaster performance this year?  If ADD is responsible for his hyper-focused nature in games and his hands-on learning approach (as he said in the article), maybe the same training that's helping him focus on his studies is taking some of the intensity out of his game?  As I said, I don't know anything about ADD, and I don't mean this in any offensive way by any means.  Just a curiosity.[/q]

While I'm certainly not an expert on the subject, I would think it's not directly relevant, since the article said his grades improved his sophomore year versus his freshman year, and his goaltending play seemed a lot better his sophomore year versus his freshman year.

Of course, now I'm curious to see what Dave's grades are this semester.  Maybe GPA really is inversely proportional to GAA. :-D

[ftyuv]

Yeah, I thought about that, but I don't know if there's some delayed reaction or something... like, he learned ways to learn better, but only a year later did they really internalize to a level that would affect him on the ice.  I dunno.

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

 [Q2]Section A Banshee Wrote:

 [Q2]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

 Interesting article on David in today's Journal:[/Q]
...and it's out.  There was actually an article about this in the Chronicle a week or so ago, and I was to an extent relieved nobody had brought it up, though I don't blame you for doing so.[/Q]
I find it truly hard to believe that in the year 2005 someone would have such a backward attitude toward something like this.[/q]

FWIW, I thought before following the link to the article that he was coming out as gay.  I'm curious how that would have gone over and what the general reaction would be.  I fear that people would have more issue with than with ADD.

[RazzBaronZ]

It is true that ADD medication can affect sports performance.  However, it seems unlikely that he's been taking the same medication (if he has) for about a year and is only now playing differently because of it.  I'm only pre-med but I really can't see this happening logically...even meds for depression (like Paxil) which take a while to build up in the blood take only 4 weeks to take effect.

[DeltaOne81]

[Q]jtwcornell91 Wrote:
FWIW, I thought before following the link to the article that he was coming out as gay.  I'm curious how that would have gone over and what the general reaction would be.  I fear that people would have more issue with than with ADD.[/q]

Nah, that's only for Dartmouth lacrosse goalies :-P

On the plus side, maybe then McKee could score a goal... hell, no one else is (obscure reference maybe, but worth a shot :-) )

[Andy'07]

You're saying a "david has DAHD" sign from an opposing fan would be out of line? ::uhoh::

[ben03]

you do not take Paxil for AD(H)D

[redhair34]

[Q]ben03 Wrote:

 you do not take Paxil for AD(H)D[/q]

He said "even meds for depression (like Paxil)"

[Jacob 03]

[Q]ben03 Wrote:

 you do not take Paxil for AD(H)D[/q]

Umm...you probably don't take Paxil for A.D.D. (or its hyperactive cousin) first, but not every kid (or adult) responds to Ritalin well.  I'm sure the more medically-inclined can explain/elaborate further, but I know that at least a few years ago antidepressants weren't uncommon for A.D.D. patients who don't respond positively to stimulants or merely patients who need mood regulation as a result of their disorder (and can handle the balance of drugs involved).  

[Jerseygirl]

It's not uncommon for drugs like Ritalin to make their users irritable when the drug is wearing off. That's why SSRIs like Paxil, Zoloft, etc. are often used in concert when treating ADD/ADHD -- they take the edge off the irritability. Translation: after school when the lunchtime dose of Ritalin wears off, 25 mg of Zoloft makes one less apt to get cranky over the littlest thing.

Can't say I've ever heard of ant-depressants being used alone to treat ADD/ADHD. It doesn't really make sense...they're different classes of drugs.

[RazzBaronZ]

Just to clarify, the first thing I thought of when thinking of drugs which take a while to build up in the system were antidepressants.  I wasn't saying anything about ADD at all, just that even if the drugs work similarly in that they take a while to build up in the system (didn't take the time to check this), a year is complete overkill for side-effects to show up for the first time.

How about we end this thread, which was originally about the Union game?

-Alex Barash '07