Harvard Sucks

[RichH]

[Q]XXX Wrote:

 Students from Harvard could care less about Harvard/ Cornell hockey...Dartmouth and Yale are much bigger rivals. Can anyone provide insight as to why this is a one sided rivalry? Is there a history? [/q]

Snarky comments aside, this is a fair question.  (Although if you could care less, that implies that you do care some...sorry...pet peeve)

Frankly, there's little argument to infiltrate the all-encompassing grandness of the Harvard-Yale rivalry.  I can't say from first-hand experience, but it's a hunch that it exists in some form in all aspects of campus life.  From centuries old New England academic superiority that no doubt crosses over to the legendary gridiron rivalry.  (Personally, Army-Navy and Harvard-Yale are my 2 favorite football rivalries).  As much as it burns Princetonians, who so desperately want to be included, Harvard-Yale is about as great and storied a rivalry as one could hope for.

When only considering Men's Ice Hockey, however, it's been a 2 horse race for the better part of 40 years now.  A back-of-the-envelope tabulation of Ivy League hockey championships since the formal organization of the Ivy League in 1956-57:

Harvard      19
Cornell    18
Yale        6
Brown       5
Dartmouth   5
Princeton   1
Penn        0
Columbia    What Me Worry?

Source: http://ivyleaguesports.com/sports/ivy-champs.asp?intSID=8

As you can see, it's obvious there are 2 dominant programs.  Two heavyweights butting heads for that long...there's going to be a lot of hate.  On the Cornell campus, hockey is the marquee sport.  Not so in Cambridge.  The result?  A so-called (for the fans) one-sided rivalry.

That said, CU teams, fans, and Canadian recruiting practices have often succeeded in giving sports writers from the Crimson fits.  Besides the now infamous Volonnino article, this has been going on for decades.  Credit to Scersk '97 for his research this past spring:

fans, Lynah
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=248526

Attendance, 9300
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=250113

One of First griping on Canada
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=172589

Harvard being outcheered
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=251015

Sour Grapes on our National Title
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=250695

reference to frats and ag school, Harvard gets own canadian goalie
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=494633

Love Story, Cornell and Dartmouth win
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=351070
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=351389
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=351597

NCAA against Canadians
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=351588

Lumping Clarkson with Cornell and Canadians
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=351588

The McGuinn Crimson Cup and ineligibility
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=351807

Undefeated team not invincible, typicality of "we're number one" chants
at Watson
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=351828

1970 team crushes harvard at Lynah
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=352289

Harkness leaves
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=352892

[daredevilcu]

Nice on the Yacey's Mom one, but I'm pretty sure he graduated.  They're starting Sean Samuel now, I think.

[French Rage]

[Q]daredevilcu Wrote:

 Nice on the Yacey's Mom one, but I'm pretty sure he graduated.  They're starting Sean Samuel now, I think.[/q]

Dammit!  I'm getting too old.

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]RichH Wrote:

 [Q2]XXX Wrote:

 Students from Harvard could care less about Harvard/ Cornell hockey...Dartmouth and Yale are much bigger rivals. Can anyone provide insight as to why this is a one sided rivalry? Is there a history? [/Q]
Snarky comments aside, this is a fair question.  (Although if you could care less, that implies that you do care some...sorry...pet peeve)
[/q]

I was going to say something more along the lines of "let's point at the Cantab's poor language skills and laugh."  ::laugh::

[A-19]

i think the reason you're seeing more harvard "fans" at lynah east has been due to harvard's ticket policies these past years. (remember- the 6page package, not selling to visiting teams, etc). this year may return to the cornell trend due to that online glitch, in which i suspect that most of the seats they hoped to sell to townies went to elynah people who saw the link online.

yeah, i was really looking forward to yacey's mom but realized he had graduated as well. we'll start a separate thread for signs/cheers

-mike

[billhoward]

So you're thinking of a sign, "Dov, You're Gone, We Miss You, and You Still ... "?

[DeltaOne81]

[Q]A-19 Wrote:

 i think the reason you're seeing more harvard "fans" at lynah east has been due to harvard's ticket policies these past years. (remember- the 6page package, not selling to visiting teams, etc). this year may return to the cornell trend due to that online glitch, in which i suspect that most of the seats they hoped to sell to townies went to elynah people who saw the link online.
[/q]


The ticket package two years ago was one thing, but what did they do last year that made it more like 50/50? Not saying nothing was done, but I'm wondering what the strategy was.

I agree, we have a larger chance this year to bring it more back Cornell's way than in the recent past, due to 'the glitch'.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

Cornell alums don't have that fear. Only that nightmare when we come back on campus that we still have due that last required paper for graduation. [/q]

You have that nightmare, too?  ::scared::   I thought I was the only one.  ::whistle::

[Rich S]

Oh Bill, that's priceless...in a self-serving sort of way, of course...:-D

But today, I'm wondering how anyone could say "Harvard sucks"?  

Just last night, one of your favorite Cantabs, Dominic Moore, scored a Gretzky-like goal from behind the goal line with three secs left in  regulation to tie it up for the Rangers against Florida.

Today, I "love" Harvard...in a self-serving sort of way as a Rangers fan.  :-}

[Jordan 04]

[Q]Rich S Wrote:

 Oh Bill, that's priceless...in a self-serving sort of way, of course...

But today, I'm wondering how anyone could say "Harvard sucks"?  

Just last night, one of your favorite Cantabs, Dominic Moore, scored a Gretzky-like goal from behind the goal line with three secs left in  regulation to tie it up for the Rangers against Florida.

Today, I "love" Harvard...in a self-serving sort of way as a Rangers fan.  [/q]

Actually, he scored a DMoore-on like goal.  See Hahvahd @ Cornell, February 1, 2002.

[ugarte]

[Q]RichH Wrote:(Although if you could care less, that implies that you do care some...sorry...pet peeve)[/q]That's funny. My pet peeve is people getting exercised about the intentional, sarcastic use of an expression to mean its exact opposite. ("Literally," "fat chance," "I love you," etc.) It has a long tradition as idiomatic English. I'd be shocked if it didn't happen the same way in other languages.

[Trotsky]

"Was that irony?"
"I don't even know anymore."

[KeithK]

[q]That's funny. My pet peeve is people getting exercised about the intentional, sarcastic use of an expression to mean its exact opposite. ("Literally," "fat chance," "I love you," etc.) It has a long tradition as idiomatic English. I'd be shocked if it didn't happen the same way in other languages.[/q]Some people may use it sarcastically, but I suspect the majority  just use it ignorantly.  So I'm with Rich here.  :-P

[ugarte]

[Q]KeithK Wrote:

 [Q2]That's funny. My pet peeve is people getting exercised about the intentional, sarcastic use of an expression to mean its exact opposite. ("Literally," "fat chance," "I love you," etc.) It has a long tradition as idiomatic English. I'd be shocked if it didn't happen the same way in other languages.[/Q]
Some people may use it sarcastically, but I suspect the majority  just use it ignorantly.  So I'm with Rich here.   [/q]Whether it is sarcastic or ignorant is somewhat besides the point. (Though I would argue that more people use the expressions sarcastically than you do.)

It is idiomatic; nobody is confused about the speaker's meaning. Slate had a column about the use of "literally" a few weeks ago.

[KeithK]

Regardless of whether it's idiomatic and has a history of usage, I still think it's a stupid usage.  Just my not so humble opinion, of course.