Cornell 3 @ Brown 2 (OT 11/5) post-game thread

[DeltaOne81]

[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote:

 Also, I forgot to say that I think Brown is far and away the worst ECACHL rink to watch a game, although I have not since one at Quinnipiac yet.  Boring rink, no fans, no atmosphere whatsoever.  [/q]

And you probably won't. Unless we play them next year before January and Ingalls isn't free.. or the construction is significantly delayed. but I'm sure you can take a public skate there anytime

Ingalls has great acoustics, but the sightlines vary depending where you are. I was coming out of the bathrooms in the 2nd intermission of Friday and I heard a band loud and clear - loud enough to bother my ears a little. I figured it was Yale's, it wasn't.

[billhoward]

[Q]Trotsky Wrote: Meehan has that concrete-overturned-toilet-Kingdome feel.  It's not bad when it's full, but it sucks when it's empty.  It hosted NCAA finals in the mid 70s...  
The worst barn under the worst conditiiosn is Thompson when it's empty, becase it is frikkin' FREEZING.  The worst sight lines are Ingalls.  I have no idea why it won architecture awards; it's the worst-designed sports facility I've ever been in.[/q]Ingalls won architectural design praise because it looks good when you do a walkthrough of the empty rink. At the highest level, isn't architecture about holding spitting contests with other people's money?

[Shorts]

I read the NCAA hockey rulebook http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/2006/2006_m_w_ice_hockey_rules.pdf, and couldn't find anything about the number of visiting band members (although just about all of the Championships rule books limit the number of band members to 25 on each side).  I tried looking through the various general NCAA rules, but there are just too many to look through (although I did find the section that talks about the rules for high-school age prospective athletes playing in rent-a-bands at college games).

Maybe someone more familiar with the topic can inform the rest of us.  ::help::

[Tub(a)]

[Q]Shorts Wrote:

 I read the NCAA hockey rulebook , and couldn't find anything about the number of visiting band members (although just about all of the Championships rule books limit the number of band members to 25 on each side).  I tried looking through the various general NCAA rules, but there are just too many to look through (although I did find the section that talks about the rules for high-school age prospective athletes playing in rent-a-bands at college games).

Maybe someone more familiar with the topic can inform the rest of us.   [/q]

I had the same success looking in the same things. The NCAA would probably defer to local policy, but a policy that allows a home band to have more players than an away band when the away band purchases the additional tickets seems unfair at best.

[billhoward]

There has to be some practical limit on the size of the band. Otherwise you could see a 240-person Big Red Dismounted Marching, Too Full of Pep Band march into Lynah East next Friday.

College need to offer more instruction in real life issues. Coming face to face with Mickey Mouse rules is a start.

[Lauren '06]

[Q]Tub(a) Wrote:

 [Q2]Shorts Wrote:

 I read the NCAA hockey rulebook , and couldn't find anything about the number of visiting band members (although just about all of the Championships rule books limit the number of band members to 25 on each side).  I tried looking through the various general NCAA rules, but there are just too many to look through (although I did find the section that talks about the rules for high-school age prospective athletes playing in rent-a-bands at college games).

Maybe someone more familiar with the topic can inform the rest of us.   [/Q]
I had the same success looking in the same things. The NCAA would probably defer to local policy, but a policy that allows a home band to have more players than an away band when the away band purchases the additional tickets seems unfair at best. [/q]
What ticks me off the most is that the Brown rink manager, who was, all told, a nice guy (unlike the usher on the home side of the stands, who I sincerely hope has nightmares about seas of fans shouting "RED" during the anthem every single night for the rest of his ugly little life), seemed to indicate that they were enforcing the 25-person maximum rule on us because we were good, and because they didn't have a band there, and didn't want us to dominate the entire rink.  I suppose he may have been kidding as well as being complimentary, but the sentiment is still there.

Now, I like the Brown band and their leadership and I understand they had some scheduling conflicts this weekend, but holy crap.  If the rule is one the schools can choose to follow or not to as they see fit, wielding it on purpose to blue-ball a good band accompanying a good fan base just so their school doesn't get upstaged is pretty ugly.

[Tub(a)]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

 There has to be some practical limit on the size of the band. Otherwise you could see a 240-person Big Red Dismounted Marching, Too Full of Pep Band march into Lynah East next Friday.

College need to offer more instruction in real life issues. Coming face to face with Mickey Mouse rules is a start. [/q]

Since the Marching Band is an entirely different organization, that's not too much of a concern.

If they want to restrict the opposing band that's fine, but the same restrictions should be applied to the home band.

[Lauren '06]

[Q]Tub(a) Wrote:

 [Q2]billhoward Wrote:

 There has to be some practical limit on the size of the band. Otherwise you could see a 240-person Big Red Dismounted Marching, Too Full of Pep Band march into Lynah East next Friday.

College need to offer more instruction in real life issues. Coming face to face with Mickey Mouse rules is a start. [/Q]
Since the Marching Band is an entirely different organization, that's not too much of a concern.

If they want to restrict the opposing band that's fine, but the same restrictions should be applied to the home band.[/q]
You could pervert that to mean that if the school has no home band (SLU) or if the home band decides not to go to that game (Princeton), the away band gets turned away because it's unfair to the home team.

[Tub(a)]

[Q]Section A Banshee Wrote:

 [Q2]Tub(a) Wrote:

 [Q2]billhoward Wrote:

 There has to be some practical limit on the size of the band. Otherwise you could see a 240-person Big Red Dismounted Marching, Too Full of Pep Band march into Lynah East next Friday.

College need to offer more instruction in real life issues. Coming face to face with Mickey Mouse rules is a start. [/Q]
Since the Marching Band is an entirely different organization, that's not too much of a concern.

If they want to restrict the opposing band that's fine, but the same restrictions should be applied to the home band.[/Q]
You could pervert that to mean that if the school has no home band (SLU) or if the home band decides not to go to that game (Princeton), the away band gets turned away because it's unfair to the home team.[/q]

I had that same thought as soon as I posted, but since they are required to give 25 tickets to the opposing band by the same regulations that may not exist anymore, they couldn't go below 25.

I really wish I could remember where I read the 25 person band regulations. It was probably in the tournament handbooks. Not having it in the ice hockey rule book unfortunately leaves a lot to the operators of the rink. The only recourse may be through the NCAA, which would open a can of worms.

I think we should probably have this conversation on AIM instead of boring the eLynah faithful :-P

[JimHyla]

[Q]Tub(a) Wrote:I think we should probably have this conversation on AIM instead of boring the eLynah faithful  [/q]No, as evidenced by the response to Minny last year, we want to support you and what better way than to understand your problems.

[Lauren '06]

[Q]JimHyla Wrote:

 [Q2]Tub(a) Wrote:I think we should probably have this conversation on AIM instead of boring the eLynah faithful  [/Q]
No, as evidenced by the response to Minny last year, we want to support you and what better way than to understand your problems.[/q]
Thank you. :-)

I'll just end with something that ex-officio band advisor Tom LaFalce said in October, and that was "Just because you've effectively gotten away with something forever doesn't mean you have a right to."  I think that might be true here as more and more rinks decide to enforce the 25-member band rule.  Most bands don't have more than 25 people willing to travel and so don't run into a problem, and I know Clarkson's band is very careful not to travel with more than 25 instruments (whether the Lynah rink staff actually limited them at the door is something I don't know, but I doubt it), so maybe we have been getting away with something here.  But, we'll see.  As far as I'm concerned, if SHORTS can't find something in a policy, it must not exist.

[Jordan 04]

[Q]KP '06 Wrote:

 [Q2]calgARI '07 Wrote:

 Also, I forgot to say that I think Brown is far and away the worst ECACHL rink to watch a game, although I have not since one at Quinnipiac yet.  Boring rink, no fans, no atmosphere whatsoever.  [/Q]
Not to mention that, despite the Brown band not being there, the rink staff decided to enforce the NCAA rule about visiting bands only having 25 instruments. Yale also did this, but at least we knew it was coming -- they are usually dicks, while I've never seen Brown ever have a problem with 40-member bands. The end result was that 15 bandies made the trip but didn't get to play all weekend, while the remaining 25 traded time with Brown's talentless DJ.

I was half expecting Freebird by the 2nd period break.[/q]

I certainly hope this isn't saying that the same 15 kids sat out both games.

[KP '06]

[Q]Section A Banshee Wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, if SHORTS can't find something in a policy, it must not exist.[/q]


Someone during the Brown game: "Hey Shorts, do you have a copy of the NCAA rule book on your PDA?"

Shorts: "Not with me ..."

[billhoward]

You're not boring the civilians talking about the band's woes.

Yeah, if you were limited to as many band members in the arena as the home team's band, the other teams would probably love that.

Could the extra 15 excluded Cornell players form a raggedy Brown band instead and play half-heartedly? It would still be better than no one supporting Brown at all and probably better than the Brown band were it there. All it would cost you is to buy a T-shirt in a color you'd never wear otherwise. Too bad there's no part of the anthem that mentions brown.

Cornell can't gripe too much about being messed with in opposing team's rinks. Ned Harkness was said to be ruthless in making the visiting team locker room as small, dirty, overheated, and generally as uncomfortable as he could get away with.

[David Harding]

[q]I think we should probably have this conversation on AIM instead of boring the eLynah faithful [:-P] [/q}  I'll agree with the others.  This is part of the hockey culture.  We appreciate the insider's view.