Schafer a Penrose finalist

[Al DeFlorio]

http://www.ahcahockey.com/news/0405/0331m1cy.html

[CUlater 89]

The criteria for being considered seem silly.  Just because your squad didn't reach the Frozen Four and your fellow coaches didn't select you as the COTY in your conference doesn't mean you shouldn't be a finalist.  Even Schafer agrees that Sneddon should have won the league award.  The All-America teams don't have the same criteria; why should the Penrose award?

[KeithK]

OTOH, it provides a straight forward way to narrow the field of 58 down to 6-10 finalists.  And to be honest if you're not the "best" coach in your conference how can you really be the "best" in the country? Of course, I say the same with teams and the national championship, so take that opinion with a grain or three of salt.

BTW - I still kind of think Sneddon would have won if he wasn't on his way to Hockey East next year.

[cth95]

Interesting point.  I figured he should have won, but had not thought of that.  I have lived in VT for 8 years and have seen how far their program had declined.  Since Sneddon turned Union around recently, I figured he could do the job, but I had no idea he could do it so quickly.

[billhoward]

At some point the hockey coaches have to recognize what Schafer has done at Cornell.

BU's Jackie Parker deserves one more COTY award before he signs off. The guy has outlasted more Cornell coaches that Castro has U.S. presidents.

[DeltaOne81]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

 At some point the hockey coaches have to recognize what Schafer has done at Cornell.  [/q]
Like COTY 2 of the previous 3 years?

I also agree Sneddon deserved it more this year, but the politics of leaving the conference must have played in, so they fell back on their ol' standby

[Ben Rocky '04]

It would have been plain wrong for UVM to win the whitelaw or COTY and then go to hockey east in the fall.  I'm impressed with Sneddon in terms of turning around the catamounts, but his team is leaving the conference.  Goodluck to them next year, but I don't really care. I'm an ECACHL man.

[gobigred24]

Ben, I can see how you think it might be wrong for Sneddon to win COTY (although I respectfully disagree, its not his fault UVM is leaving) but I don't know how it could be "plain wrong" for them to win the Whitelaw.  If they had won it, they would have earned it, far and square.  Although its all moot, because once again, the Whitelaw comes home to Ithaca

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]gobigred24 Wrote:
 I don't know how it could be "plain wrong" for them [UVM] to win the Whitelaw.  If they had won it, they would have earned it, far and square.[/q]

But what would have happened  to the ECAC Championship Belt???
 ::nut::

[Will]

[Q]jtwcornell91 Wrote:

 [Q2]gobigred24 Wrote:
 I don't know how it could be "plain wrong" for them  to win the Whitelaw.  If they had won it, they would have earned it, far and square.[/Q]
But what would have happened  to the ECAC Championship Belt???[/q]

They would have had to put it on the line the next time they took on an ECAC team, even if it would then be an OOC game for Vermont.

[Trotsky]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:
BU's Jackie Parker deserves one more COTY award before he signs off. The guy has outlasted more Cornell coaches that Castro has U.S. presidents. [/q]

Parker is more ruthless.

The criteria is braindead on purpose -- the auto-generation of nominations is designed to avoid controversy.  The NCAA's considerable and expanding butt is covered.  I wonder if this criteria is used for all COTY in all D-I sports.

This way, all the backbiting is transferred to the friendly confines of the league awards.

[KeithK]

[q]Ben, I can see how you think it might be wrong for Sneddon to win COTY (although I respectfully disagree, its not his fault UVM is leaving) but I don't know how it could be "plain wrong" for them to win the Whitelaw. If they had won it, they would have earned it, far and square.[/q]It would be "just plain wrong" for UVM to have won the Whitelaw in the sense of injustice, which has nothing to do with whether or not they "earned" it.

I find it extremely hard to believe that Sneddon is guiltless in the HE move.  I hardly think he was begging the UVM president to stay in the ECAC.

[marty]

Who has "the" championship belt these days.  I can't bring myself to search USCHO to learn the exciting  ::snore:: truth.

[Tom Pasniewski 98]

I think I looked through this a few weeks ago and I came up with Colorado College who would certainly still have it

[KeithK]

[Q]I think I looked through this a few weeks ago and I came up with Colorado College who would certainly still have it [/q]If CC had the belt a few weeks ago then Denver has it now.  Unless you're saying that Denver won the belt from Colgate or Michigan.