Quit BITCHING about seeding

Josh 03 · March 21, 2005, 10:20:41 AM

HOCKEY CHEER TEAM

This unique team cheers and performs on the ice and in the stands at all home hockey games. They will make special appearances on occasion, and put in approximately 6-8 hours per week. Hockey cheerleaders practice with a skating instructor and a strength coach throughout the entire year. They do not compete at the national level, yet they are a huge addition to the Golden Gopher hockey atmosphere and have even been featured in Sports Illustrated. The team consists of 9-12 female members, and all hockey cheerleaders are required to have figure skating skills, as they perform figure skating routines between periods, skating, stunting and dancing on the ice.

USCHO Article with a pic:
http://www.uscho.com/news/2003/04/10_006706.php

The Hockey Cheer Team Rules; PDF File. Pretty serious stuff!
http://www.gophersports.com/Releases/cheer/tryout.pdf

I took a few pictures when we were in Buffalo. If I get a chance to scan them, PM me and I can send them your way. ::nut::

~Josh

[Q]jeh25 Wrote:

[Q2]French Rage Wrote:

Plus they have cheerleaders. Cheerleaders at a fucking hockey game. [/Q]
Maybe Hermo can find the old USCHO thread, because, dude, they're hot.[/q]

Ack · March 21, 2005, 10:31:27 AM

I filled out my registration form

jtwcornell91 · March 21, 2005, 11:00:22 AM

[Q]Scersk '97 Wrote:

Personally, I think the seeding was an unintentional gift. Take a look at this chart:

Regional/Seed Team KRACH 1st Game Columbus[/q]

Cool. Hadn't gotten around that. But to account for having to play Minny at home, you should use KASA. (just change krach to kasa in the USCHO URL.)

Josh 03 · March 21, 2005, 11:09:48 AM

[Q]Ack Wrote:

I filled out my registration form[/q]

You mean your application form. You really think you're good enough to be a on the Gopher Skating Cheer Squad? Better wait until tryouts.

Though I do know someone who "knows" they would make make it if they had cared to try out...
RichS.

Jeff Hopkins '82 · March 21, 2005, 01:05:34 PM

[Q]French Rage Wrote:
is a given anything is possible.

Plus they have cheerleaders. Cheerleaders at a fucking hockey game. What a joke from the "state of hockey".[/q]

They tried cheerleaders at Lynah in 81. They lasted a game or two, but decided to give up after all the boo-ing.

As it should be.

CrazyLarry · March 21, 2005, 01:32:51 PM

Didn't even know KASA was on USCHO. Cool. Why isn't there a link to it?

Scersk '97 · March 21, 2005, 02:56:26 PM

Well, at John's suggestion:


Regional    Seed  Team       KRACH  KASA   AdjKASA   1st KRACH   CBS KRACH   1st KASA    CBS KASA
====================================================================================================
West
             4    Minnesota  620.4  589.9  663.81447 0.672010399 0.375878081 0.722725857 0.437741494
             5    Cornell    592.6  590.7  524.89602 0.630358473 0.343782959 0.635639729 0.321522712
            10    Ohio State 347.5  338.6  300.87996 0.369641527 0.1539689   0.364360271 0.136846435
            13    Maine      302.8  286.6  254.67276 0.327989601 0.12637006  0.277274143 0.103889358

Midwest
             3    CC         1031   990.1  879.80286 0.822497008 0.533493632 0.820366228 0.499580909
             6    Michigan   619.7  605    680.8065  0.560003615 0.246058638 0.627350954 0.312354127
            11    Wisconsin  486.9  455.1  404.40186 0.439996385 0.169690817 0.372649046 0.141609953
            14    Colgate    222.5  216.8  192.64848 0.177502992 0.050756914 0.179633772 0.046455011

East
             1    BC         642.5  611.7  688.34601 0.974562774 0.584218271 0.975703179 0.61520187
             7    N Dakota   469.1  451.7  401.38062 0.549619215 0.239539965 0.497550283 0.190404487
            12    BU         384.4  360.2  405.33306 0.450380785 0.175280302 0.502449717 0.193403214
            16    Mercyhurst 16.77  19.29  17.141094 0.025437226 0.000961463 0.024296821 0.00099043

Northeast  
             2    Denver     975.8  940.4  835.63944 0.901681759 0.649827644 0.892220114 0.643235671
             8    UHN        428.9  413.5  367.4361  0.576788596 0.204234035 0.578079128 0.206401875
             9    Harvard    314.7  301.8  268.17948 0.423211404 0.124152959 0.421920872 0.124498489
            15    Bemidji    106.4  113.6  100.94496 0.098318241 0.021785361 0.107779886 0.025863965

At home: Minnesota, Michigan, BC, and BU. I, arbitrarily, made Amherst an away game for UHN more because Amherst is small and unfamiliar than because of any great drive distance (2-3 hrs).

DeltaOne81 · March 21, 2005, 03:05:19 PM

Am I correct in assuming:
AdjKASA = based on who's home and who's away
1st ____ = odds of winning the first game based on ____ ranking (adj for KASA)
CBS ____ = odds of winning the regional game based on ____ ranking (adj for KASA)

CrazyLarry · March 21, 2005, 03:28:26 PM

Actually, Amherst is 200x95, almost Olympic, so I don't see how that's a size problem for UNH.

I would say the right thing is to make all games neutral except actual home games (i.e. Minnesota).

You could argue crowds for BC, BU and Michigan, but I would think UHN will also get plenty of crowd support at Amherst. But crowd support and actual home rink are two different things.

jtwcornell91 · March 21, 2005, 03:47:46 PM

[Q]CrazyLarry Wrote:

Didn't even know KASA was on USCHO. Cool. Why isn't there a link to it?[/q]

That question is above my (nonexistent) paycheck.

jtwcornell91 · March 21, 2005, 03:54:55 PM

[Q]CrazyLarry Wrote:
I would say the right thing is to make all games neutral except actual home games (i.e. Minnesota).[/q]

That would also be consistent with how the KASA was calculated, considering e.g., a game at the Joe to be neutral-site for MSU even if they get the last change. I actually have a script somewhere on USCHO to calculate these probabilities directly.

Scersk '97 · March 21, 2005, 04:45:06 PM

[Q]jtwcornell91 Wrote:

[Q2]CrazyLarry Wrote:
I would say the right thing is to make all games neutral except actual home games (i.e. Minnesota).[/Q]
That would also be consistent with how the KASA was calculated, considering e.g., a game at the Joe to be neutral-site for MSU even if they get the last change. I actually have a script somewhere on USCHO to calculate these probabilities directly.[/q]

Ahhahaha, but it doesn't matter! If both teams have their KASA "adjusted" towards an "away" match but are meeting at a neutral site, then it's the same as comparing their unadjusted KASA's.

k1 = KASA of team 1
k2 = KASA of team 2
a1 = "away" KASA of team 1 = A * k1
a2 = "away" KASA of team 2 = A * k2

k1 / (k1 + k2) = a1 / (a1 + a2) = A * k1 / (A * k1 + A * k2) = A * k1 / A (k1 + k2) = k1 / (k1 + k2)

So, if you've adjusted for home and away, it'll only matter if an away team meets a home team. If two home teams meet each other or two away teams meet each other, the home or away adjustment cancels out. No? Perhaps I've been away from math for too long...

Oh, and I'm just guessing regarding the second order effects. I don't feel like doing the proof.

KeithK · March 21, 2005, 04:48:42 PM

[q]If two home teams meet each other or two away teams meet each other, the home or away adjustment cancels out. No?[/q]So that means we don't have to adjust the rankings of Yale and Quinnipiac in next years tournament predictions, right? ::nut::

Scersk '97 · March 21, 2005, 04:50:24 PM

[Q]DeltaOne81 Wrote:

Am I correct in assuming:
AdjKASA = based on who's home and who's away
1st ____ = odds of winning the first game based on ____ ranking (adj for KASA)
CBS ____ = odds of winning the regional game based on ____ ranking (adj for KASA)[/q]

Yes, yes, and yes. The last is "making it to Columbus."

CrazyLarry · March 21, 2005, 05:00:04 PM

Yes Scott. I knew that. I didn't think through that the whole Amherst regional was Away, so it didn't matter. I thought you were mentioning UNH as away because it made a difference.

I guess it's the BC and Mich regions that would make a difference.