Quit BITCHING about seeding

[Stephen Turner]

Well said.  And by the way, it's the esteemed Dr. Turner.

[marty]

Yes but I think we may top them in the Sanford-Binet test. ::nut::

Seriously, thanks for starting this thread.  The only tests that count will be on the ice.

[billhoward]

[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote: As I have said, this is the best case scenarios for the usual suspects: Minnesota, BC, Michigan.  The little schools that won't generate the huge TV dollars in the Frozen Four, Cornell and CC, get just about the worst case scenarios.  I think it would have only been worse for Cornell had they been matched up with Wisconsin in the first round (they play on the international ice surface).[/q]"Huge tV dollars" and "college hockey" cannot be used correctly in the same sentence.

For those who were there in person and didn't get to see the broadcasts Friday (better announcers) or Saturday (better game), on Friday the commercials were stacked in four-plus minute blocks early in the first periods but were the same advertisers over and over. (Still, there was more variety than the NCAAs of about two years ago.)  

[Mike Nevin]

Any good "Quit BITCHING" thread ends up being a "Keep BITCHING" thread, so here goes.

I think Cornell got screwed in that the # 1 seeds really should first go to teams who might actually be the number one team in the country.  College hockey is too small, with too little interaction between the leagues for the statistics to accurately reflect who deserves what.  But, any idiot can look at the recent results, and recent polls which to some degree reflect expert opinion and determine that:

Minnesota is not the best team in the country.
Any one of CC, Denver, BC, Cornell, and Michigan might acutally be.  The have clearly excelled against any of their recent competion, they haven't played each other, or anyone out of their own leagues recently.

As for the DU / CC 2-3 not following the official criteria -- to that I have to say that the commitee got it right.   If two teams play the night before selection, and are otherwise extremely close, I think you have to give the nod to the winner.

My advice to the committee -- Objectively Select.  Subjectively seed.  

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Well if you're going to seed subjectively, then do it consistently.  Don't do it when it suits you and then do it strictly by the numbers in other cases.

[judy]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

"Huge tV dollars" and "hockey" cannot be used correctly in the same sentence.

[/q]

fixed your post... :-/

[atb9]

http://www.insidecollegehockey.com/9NCAA/2005/wallpaper_0237.htm

If you don't mind staring at the bracket and an INCH logo, INCH made up a bracket wallpaper.

[billhoward]

Pro hockey fans are more well-heeled that pro basketball fans, I believe I've read. 'Course, there's a lot *more* pro basketball fans and pro basketball fans who sit in front of TV.

HDTV will help hockey more than it helps basketball, unless you're dying to see what the squeakballers' tattoos read.

[jeh25]

[Q]Mike Nevin Wrote:
College hockey is too small, with too little interaction between the leagues for the statistics to accurately reflect who deserves what.  
[/q]

Two words: Bradley. Terry.  

Until you can explain in detail how it works, I don't think you have have any basis for your statement that isn't just a giant asspull.

[Chief AA Bear]

I think we DESERVED to play in the East, where our primary fan base could be there to cheer the Big Red on, especially after we "shutdown" all the competition at the ECACHL championship, including those misfit LOSERS from 'Vlad-land'. THEY deserved to be "ON THE BIG SHEET" in MN !!

I was releshing a potential rematch with UNH.

Let's GO BIG RED!!!!!

 -- Da Bear

[billhoward]

[Q]Mike Nevin Wrote:... I think Cornell got screwed in that the # 1 seeds really should first go to teams who might actually be the number one team in the country.  College hockey is too small, with too little interaction between the leagues for the statistics to accurately reflect who deserves what.  But, any idiot can look at the recent results, and recent polls which to some degree reflect expert opinion and determine that: Minnesota is not the best team in the country. ... Any one of CC, Denver, BC, Cornell, and Michigan might acutally be.  The have clearly excelled against any of their recent competion, they haven't played each other, or anyone out of their own leagues recently. ... As for the DU / CC 2-3 not following the official criteria -- to that I have to say that the commitee got it right.   If two teams play the night before selection, and are otherwise extremely close, I think you have to give the nod to the winner. ... My advice to the committee -- Objectively Select.  Subjectively seed.  [/q]Excellent thoughts, suggestions, and conclusions. Three to four decimal places of precision in KRACH, RPI, PWR, doesn't equal the same degree of accuracy, repeatability, projectability. Does anyone really think BC is the best team in the country right now?

[Chief AA Bear]

Hi, All,

I should note that CC and DU have just as much reason to complain as i doubt many of their fans are coming cross country to the East.

I also have a big problem with MN "hosting" a playoff set on their own ice, when THEY are playing in that set.

GO MAINE BLACK BEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  STOMP THE GOPHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here's hoping for an 'all BEAR' final in MN, with the "RED" bears finally triumphing !!

-- Da Bear

[KP '06]

Quit bitching about seeding ...
and start bitching about the ECACHL woofing from on high.

http://www.ecachockeyleague.com/news/men/ncaa-selections :
Cornell, which has an overall record of 26-4-3, will travel out West and play at Mariucci Arena in Minneapolis. The Big Red will face Ohio State on March 26 and will face the winner of the Maine-Minnesota contest the next day.

:: slaps forehead::

[Trotsky]

D'oh.

At least they're quietly confident.

[Al DeFlorio]

To pass time this morning, reviewed the records of the top 14 seeds against each other as they go into the tournament.  Not sure there are any strong conclusions except that the records of BC, Denver, and CC appear to support their getting the top three seeds.  Bemidji and Mercyhurst were a combined 0-6-1 against other tournament teams so I discounted those seven games so as not to distort the results.  [Disclaimer:  Errors in counting are possible, even probable.]

BC          11-3-3
CC          11-6-1
Denver    10-6-1
Minn        9-9
Cornell    4-2-1
Michigan  3-3-1
N Dak      8-10-2
UNH        4-5-4
Harvard   5-4
Ohio St   1-3-1
BU          5-11-2
Wisco     8-8-2
Maine     3-9-2
Colgate  3-2-1

Dartmouth, by the way, finished 4-3-1, with a win or tie against every tournament team played.