Cornell 5 Clarkson 0 postgame thread

[Beeeej]

Traditionally in a multi-game playoff series there is no handshake until the series is decided.

Beeeej

[ithacat]

[Q]Beeeej Wrote:

 Traditionally in a multi-game playoff series there is no handshake until the series is decided.

Beeeej[/q]

Thanks. I could have sworn they did last year, but I must be dreaming...again. Same true of the salute?

[Beeeej]

No idea - that would be a question about Schafer's philosophy, whereas the handshake thing is true across the NCAA.

Beeeej

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]RichS Wrote:

 Ok, I see all you guys trashing Clarkson for being dirty and now ripping Roll.  So please tell me what happened since I missed the game.[/q]

I dunno, the game turned chippy, like seemingly every Cornell-Clarkson game does once the outcome is no longer in doubt.  Roll was complaining to the refs about something post-game, with the unfortunate effect that the home team left the ice before most of the visitors.  I imagine we'll get an idea from the postgame interviews.

BTW, this finally tied up the all-time series, right?  It's been a long time coming.  (And the magnitude of this accomplishment is an implicit compliment of the Clarkson program, BTW.)

[RichS]

I've seen a few games that have been chippy on both sides (much as some posters here don't believe cornell has ever been "chippy" under Schafer) from the start of the game.

And make no mistake, I know that Roll does not like this stuff.  To a great degree I think it will decline once he has all his own recruits playing for him.

I recall a number of years ago when Clarkson finally tied up the series after cornell having held the all time series lead for many years.  So it has swung once again, as it may well do again.  That's the beauty of a great rivalry.

[Avash]

[Q]jtwcornell91 Wrote:

 [Q2]RichS Wrote:

 Ok, I see all you guys trashing Clarkson for being dirty and now ripping Roll.  So please tell me what happened since I missed the game.[/Q]
I dunno, the game turned chippy, like seemingly every Cornell-Clarkson game does once the outcome is no longer in doubt.  Roll was complaining to the refs about something post-game, with the unfortunate effect that the home team left the ice before most of the visitors.  I imagine we'll get an idea from the postgame interviews.

[/q]

Yes, you'll get an idea as to why there was no salute :-).

As far as Roll and why the Clarkson players were still on the ice, the refs were apparently suggesting that they stick around for a handshake. There was just some confusion because - as has been mentioned - there isn't usually a handshake mid-series. Anyway, so that's what Roll was talking to the refs about (apparently). I don't think he was complaining at the time.

[andyw2100]

[Q]jtwcornell91 Wrote:

Roll was complaining to the refs about something post-game, with the unfortunate effect that the home team left the ice before most of the visitors.  I imagine we'll get an idea from the postgame interviews.[/q]

I could be wrong, but it looked to me that Feola was trying to stop Clarkson from leaving the ice, and trying to force them to shake hands with the Cornell players, who were still congregagted around McKee at the east end of the rink. It looked like it got pretty heated between Feola and Roll, and as they were jawing at each other, the Cornell players started to leave the ice. Feola had his back to this, and seemed to realize after most Cornell players were already off the ice that the handshakes just weren't going to happen.

I have no idea why there was no salute.
                              Andy W.

[calgARI '07]

Just baffling as to how Clarkson could possibly be complaining about the refs at this stage of the season considering they get a ton of penalties every single night.  After so many games where they are short handed so much, one would think that maybe they would look in the mirror and recognize that is their style of play, not the reffing.  
I'm a bit concerned for tomorrow night as Clarkson clearly gets very chippy and dirty as the game gets more out of reach or in this case, the series.  I actually like Roll (have spoken to him a few times), but he just has no control over his team and they continue to be very dirty.

[Scersk '97]

[Q]RichS Wrote:

And make no mistake, I know that Roll does not like this stuff.  To a great degree I think it will decline once he has all his own recruits playing for him.
[/q]
Exactly my feeling.  I don't want to go back and dig up the stats, but his teams were relatively clean at Oswego.  Under his successor, Ed Gosek, the penalty numbers have started to creep back up.

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]RichS Wrote:
I recall a number of years ago when Clarkson finally tied up the series after cornell having held the all time series lead for many years.[/q]

I was under the impression that Clarkson had held the lead since time immemorial.  I went back and looked at Greg's "games by opponent" page http://www.tbrw.info/rptGamesByOpponent/rptGamesByOpponentFrame.html and it looks like the last time the series was tied was in prehistoric times, at 1-1-1.  Then Tech rolled off 12 more wins in a row and led the series until tonight.

BTW, I keep forgetting this, does the mini-game officially count towards the all-time record?

[Give My Regards]

[Q]jtwcornell91 Wrote:
BTW, I keep forgetting this, does the mini-game officially count towards the all-time record?[/q]

Yup, it does (and I can still see those damn Tretowiczes...)

[Tub(a)]

[Q]Avash '05 Wrote:

 [Q2]jtwcornell91 Wrote:

 [Q2]RichS Wrote:

 Ok, I see all you guys trashing Clarkson for being dirty and now ripping Roll.  So please tell me what happened since I missed the game.[/Q]
I dunno, the game turned chippy, like seemingly every Cornell-Clarkson game does once the outcome is no longer in doubt.  Roll was complaining to the refs about something post-game, with the unfortunate effect that the home team left the ice before most of the visitors.  I imagine we'll get an idea from the postgame interviews.

[/Q]
Yes, you'll get an idea as to why there was no salute .

[/q]

There is a noticeable difference in the way Cornell is handling the little leaving the ice mind-games. Last year Pegs got into a shouting match with the Clarkson player about being the last to leave the ice. This year, Clarkson tried to do the same thing, but the Big Red just ignored them. They also skated off without a salute, while Clarkson stayed on the ice as long as they could.

[Robb]

[Q]RichS Wrote:
And make no mistake, I know that Roll does not like this stuff [chippy play/penalties].  To a great degree I think it will decline once he has all his own recruits playing for him.
[/q]

Perhaps.  Clarkson's seniors have played a total of 177 player-games this season, and racked up 218 PIMs, for 1.23 PIM/GP average which *is* the highest on the team.  However, the freshmen were second, having played 237 games and collected 253 PIM (1.07 PIM/GP), including the highest and fourth most frequently penalized players.  The juniors were third with .96 PIM/GP, and the sophomores were the least penalized at .65 PIM/GP.  (Team average = .97 PIM/GP)

So yes, it does look like getting rid of the seniors will help the penalty situation, but the freshmen appear to have some discipline issues, too.  Perhaps once the leadership (or lack thereof) turns over, the freshmen will clean up their acts, too.

For reference, Cornell's most penalized class was the juniors, at 0.90 PIM/GP and Cornell's team average was .76 PIM/GP

[calgARI '07]

[Q]Tub(a) Wrote:

 [Q2]Avash '05 Wrote:

 [Q2]jtwcornell91 Wrote:

 [Q2]RichS Wrote:

 Ok, I see all you guys trashing Clarkson for being dirty and now ripping Roll.  So please tell me what happened since I missed the game.[/Q]
I dunno, the game turned chippy, like seemingly every Cornell-Clarkson game does once the outcome is no longer in doubt.  Roll was complaining to the refs about something post-game, with the unfortunate effect that the home team left the ice before most of the visitors.  I imagine we'll get an idea from the postgame interviews.

[/Q]
Yes, you'll get an idea as to why there was no salute .

[/Q]
There is a noticeable difference in the way Cornell is handling the little leaving the ice mind-games. Last year Pegs got into a shouting match with the Clarkson player about being the last to leave the ice. This year, Clarkson tried to do the same thing, but the Big Red just ignored them. They also skated off without a salute, while Clarkson stayed on the ice as long as they could.



[/q]


The Pegoraro verbal fight about being the last to leave the ice happened against Western Michigan.  Ever since, Pegoraro is just the last one to leave the ice for Cornell rather than for both teams.

[French Rage]

Good game, but let's not get too ahead of ourselves.  We're in exactly the same spot as last year, minus one Clarkson goal, two black eyes, and syphilis.