Clarkson post-game thread.

[billhoward]

Don't know why I'm being so civil to Clarkson other than maybe I'm not my usual ornery self this morning (it will pass) ... and we have a place up in the Adirondacks and we've seen some of the effects of the soft economy of the Adirondacks / North Country. Regarding the quip about avg teeth per fan, 32/Cornell, 12/Clarkson.  Nobody sets out to have a dozen teeth left as an adult. The economy sucks. The restrictions on growth & development in the APA (Adirondack Park) area limit job opportunities in order to give those of us living in the New York, Phildelphia, and Boston areas a pristine vacationland. (The St. Lawrence river area is pretty nice, too; check out the Thousand Islands in July.) If you thinks Tompkins County and environs are a mixed bag for blue collar people, you ain't seen nothing. A lot of the jobs are seasonal and a lot of the jobs have no medical / dental benefits. If your family of five is getting by on $25K a year, $30K a year, a $700 crown may not be No. 1 on your discretionary income priorities list, just as taking those kids-now-adults to the dentist wasn't in the budget 20 years ago. For some of these fans, a $7 GA Clarkson hockey ticket is one of their luxuries. I'm sure more than a few of them may have walked out of the arena muttering "Ivy League assholes" and thinking the Cornell kids all have it made. And even if you're leaving Cornell with $80,000 in loan debt and no steady girlfriend, you do. In comparison.

The other thing - vicioius circle, you'd say - is that with not much to do for work with only a HS diploma in small towns and for those living way outside Potsdam / Massena, is that entertainment equals drinking in bars, which eventually leads to your second DUI and long term loss of license. Then they can't go to work at their crappy, low-paying job and they're even worse off. Try to find a work crew to help fix your summer place. What you have to do is find two guys who still have their license to drive the other three DUI guys, the craftsmen-when-sober, to the jobsite each day. (Oh, yeah, and pay by the job, not the hour.)

If you're lucky, you try to latch on to a job with St. Lawrence or Clarkson with benefits. It's also the reason prisons are not exactly unwelcome in the North Country. They mean jobs. BTW the Olympic Village housing from 1980, much of that is a state prison now.

[edit: fixing typos]

[duffs4]

Schafter talked along the same lines: A 3-0 lead is pretty much locked in as a win (you'd think not say those words aloud)

Remember the game at lynah, going into the third with a 3-0 lead and then letting up 2 quick goals.  WE still won, but it was a little scary for awhile.  

This could be the last time we see Latulippe ::tears::

[Trotsky]

[Q]Avash '05 Wrote:
You're not mistaken . LeNeveu did indeed have 9 shutouts, but I said "record for shutouts in a regular season," and in the regular season, he had 7.
[/q]

Here are all the Cornell shut outs: http://www.tbrw.info/games/cornellShutouts.html

LeNeveu is the only Cornell netminder to record 2 shutouts in the same post-season.

Cornell PS has 7 ECAC and 1 NCAA shutouts:

1966 ECAC QF (McKibbon)
1967 NCAA SF (Dryden, arguably the greatest goaltending performance in Cornell history)
1969 ECAC QF (Dryden)
1989 ECAC QF (D'Alessio, the 0-0 tie)
1996 ECAC SF (Elliott)
2002 ECAC SF (Underhill)
2003 ECAC QF (LeNeveu)
2003 ECAC SF (LeNeveu, for 2 consecutive shut outs)

[The Rancor]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

 Don't know why I'm being so civil to Clarkson other than maybe I'm not my usual ornery self this morning (it will pass) ... and we have a place up in the Adirondacks and we've seen some of the effects of the soft economy of the Adirondacks / North Country. Regarding the quip about avg teeth per fan, 32/Cornell, 12/Clarkson.  Nobody sets out to have a dozen teeth left as an adult. The economy sucks. The restrictions on growth & development in the APA (Adirondack Park) area limit job opportunities in order to give those of us living in the New York, Phildelphia, and Boston areas a pristine vacationland. (The St. Lawrence river area is pretty nice, too; check out the Thousand Islands in July.) If you thinks Tompkins County and environs are a mixed bag for blue collar people, you ain't seen nothing. A lot of the jobs are seasonal and a lot of the jobs have no medical / dental benefits. If your family of five is getting by on $25K a year, $30K a year, a $700 crown may not be No. 1 on your discretionary income priorities list, just as taking those kids-now-adults to the dentist wasn't in the budget 20 years ago. For some of these fans, a $7 GA Clarkson hockey ticket is one of their luxuries. I'm sure more than a few of them may have walked out of the arena muttering "Ivy League assholes" and thinking the Cornell kids all have it made. And even if you're leaving Cornell with $80,000 in loan debt and no steady girlfriend, you do. In comparison.

The other thing - vicioius circle, you'd say - is that with not much to do for work with only a HS diploma in small towns and for those living way outside Potsdam / Massena, is that entertainment equals drinking in bars, which eventually leads to your second DUI and long term loss of license. Then they can't go to work at their crappy, low-paying job and they're even worse off. Try to find a work crew to help fix your summer place. What you have to do is find two guys who still have their license to drive the other three DUI guys, the craftsmen-when-sober, to the jobsite each day. (Oh, yeah, and pay by the job, not the hour.)

If you're lucky, you try to latch on to a job with St. Lawrence or Clarkson with benefits. It's also the reason prisons are not exactly unwelcome in the North Country. They mean jobs. BTW the Olympic Village housing from 1980, much of that is a state prison now.




Edited 1 times. Last edit at 02/27/05 08:26AM by billhoward.[/q]

here here .
the new york economy is shite. outside the ithaca bubble (with only 2% unemployment but 40% living below the poverty rate) it is so much worse. you try to feed a family of 5 on a mcdonalds paycheck, and while you do it try to care that elitist ivy league sap is waiting an extra couple minutes for his big friggin mac. get off that high horse before you hit your head, knock out all your teeth and have to use mommy's dental insurance.

sorry, but one thing The Rancor does not stand for is that classism bullshit.  most of the people on this board are really lucky. try to remember that.  also unless you are a hockey player, and a few missing teeth are a badge of honor, i doubt you would have such a high sense of self if you were missing 3 of your front 4, and both bicuspids. after a week of embarrassment your will to live likely goes down incrementally until some duche gives you shit at McDonalds and you go home and take the rest of your teeth out with a shot gun.
RANT!!! ::uhoh::  ::uhoh::  ::uhoh::

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]The Rancor Wrote:

here here .
the new york economy is shite. outside the ithaca bubble (with only 2% unemployment but 40% living below the poverty rate) it is so much worse. you try to feed a family of 5 on a mcdonalds paycheck, and while you do it try to care that elitist ivy league sap is waiting an extra couple minutes for his big friggin mac. get off that high horse before you hit your head, knock out all your teeth and have to use mommy's dental insurance.

sorry, but one thing The Rancor does not stand for is that classism bullshit.  most of the people on this board are really lucky. try to remember that.  also unless you are a hockey player, and a few missing teeth are a badge of honor, i doubt you would have such a high sense of self if you were missing 3 of your front 4, and both bicuspids. after a week of embarrassment your will to live likely goes down incrementally until some duche gives you shit at McDonalds and you go home and take the rest of your teeth out with a shot gun.
RANT!!!      
[/q]

I can only hope the residents of rural New York keep this in mind when they go to the ballot box and put the Republican rhetoric about the evils of socialized medicine, big government, and the "death tax" in the proper perspective.

[nyc94]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:
If you're lucky, you try to latch on to a job with St. Lawrence or Clarkson with benefits. It's also the reason prisons are not exactly unwelcome in the North Country.[/q]

Upstate politicians love prisons and tough drug sentences because the inmates are counted as residents for budget and districting purposes - but they can't vote.

[The Rancor]

err.... most of upstate NY is Republican....  and i hope you are right. unfortunately, they all need to move to Ohio and Florida apparently to make a difference, that is when they switch to the light side of the force!;-)

[BCrespi]

[Q]Trotsky Wrote:

1989 ECAC QF (D'Alessio, the 0-0 tie)
[/q]

How was there a tie in the ECAC playoffs?

[billhoward]

Nothing stops a progressive Republican from favoring health insurance covering those who don't have insurance b/c of their lack of jobs or their crummy jobs. Or stops them from being pro-choice. And still wanting to keep spending in check.

As nothing stops a Democrat from favoring capital punishment. He or she will probably not be asked to dine alongside Senator Kennedy.

[schoaff]

[Q]BCrespi Wrote:

 [Q2]Trotsky Wrote:

1989 ECAC QF (D'Alessio, the 0-0 tie)
[/Q]
How was there a tie in the ECAC playoffs?[/q]

I believe that was during the era when the quarterfinals were a 2 game affair with a 20 minute "minigame" played immediately after the second game if the series was tied at that point. I know we lost at home to Clarkson in '87 (maybe?) in the minigame.

Edit: I just checked. It was a series at clarkson. We won the first game 5-3 and tied the second 0-0. I think old age is catching up to me since I was a student season ticket holder then and didn't remember this at all. Sigh.

[andyw2100]

[Q]schoaff Wrote:
I believe that was during the era when the quarterfinals were a 2 game affair with a 20 minute "minigame" played immediately after the second game if the series was tied at that point. I know we lost at home to Clarkson in '87 (maybe?) in the minigame.[/q]

And as screwed up as those "mini-game" series were, they were far better (IMHO) than the ridiculous "total goals" series the NCAA used at around the same time. In 1986 Cornell lost in the first round of the NCAAs, splitting the two game series, but losing (I believe by 1) on total goals. That sucked!
                                     Andy

[Jim Hyla]

[Q]schoaff Wrote: [Q2]BCrespi Wrote: [Q2]Trotsky Wrote:
1989 ECAC QF (D'Alessio, the 0-0 tie)[/Q]
How was there a tie in the ECAC playoffs?[/Q]
I believe that was during the era when the quarterfinals were a 2 game affair with a 20 minute "minigame" played immediately after the second game if the series was tied at that point. I know we lost at home to Clarkson in '87 (maybe?) in the minigame.

Edit: I just checked. It was a series at clarkson. We won the first game 5-3 and tied the second 0-0. I think old age is catching up to me since I was a student season ticket holder then and didn't remember this at all. Sigh.[/q]And what a game that was. You are right about the scores, etc., However the interesting part of the game was seeing CLK pull their goalie to try and win the game and force a minigame. That was when you played a 10 min game after the second game, if the two teams were tied in points. Fortunately with 2 for a win and 1 for a tie, we took the series. It's the only time I can remember a goalie being pulled in a tie game.

[Steve M]

[Q]andyw2100 Wrote:

 [Q2]schoaff Wrote:
I believe that was during the era when the quarterfinals were a 2 game affair with a 20 minute "minigame" played immediately after the second game if the series was tied at that point. I know we lost at home to Clarkson in '87 (maybe?) in the minigame.[/Q]
And as screwed up as those "mini-game" series were, they were far better (IMHO) than the ridiculous "total goals" series the NCAA used at around the same time. In 1986 Cornell lost in the first round of the NCAAs, splitting the two game series, but losing (I believe by 1) on total goals. That sucked!
                                     Andy

[/q]

You're right.  I was at that series in Denver.  DU won the first game 4-2.  Cornell won the second game 4-3, but lost the series 7-6.  Our goalie, Doug Dadswell, was pulled at the end of the 2nd game even though we were ahead.

[Jim Hyla]

[Q]Steve M Wrote: You're right.  I was at that series in Denver.  DU won the first game 4-2.  Cornell won the second game 4-3, but lost the series 7-6.  Our goalie, Doug Dadswell, was pulled at the end of the 2nd game even though we were ahead.

[/q]Forgot about that.

[RichH]

[Q]BCrespi Wrote:

How was there a tie in the ECAC playoffs?[/q]

In addition to the mini-game format in the late-80s, there was also the "first-to-three-points" format in the mid-90s.  The first 2 games were limited to a single, 5-minute OT.  Game 3 (if necessary) had unlimited, 20-minute OTs.  In the 1997 QF's, Harvard and Cornell tied 2-2 in the first game, setting up a "winner take all" situation in game 2.  Guess who took all?  :-D