Alumni in the pros - Feb '05

mgl11 · February 02, 2005, 11:32:52 PM

Underhill just got called up to the St. John's Maple Leafs

http://www.msseawolves.com/news.php?id=837

Josh '99 · February 03, 2005, 12:42:06 AM

The baby Leafs seem to already have three goalies on their roster. I have to figure one of them is either hurt or traded but even so I can't see Underhill getting much playing time unfortunately. But you never know.

calgARI '07 · February 03, 2005, 02:35:45 AM

Or maybe Toronto is expecting to have a training camp very soon!

Josh '99 · February 03, 2005, 03:20:45 AM

Given the recent posts in the latest thread about the NHL negotiations, I'll believe it when I see it... :`(

mgl11 · February 03, 2005, 09:00:00 AM

Paolini also got called up to AHL -- with San Antonio.

For 1 game...and has been returned to the ECHL

DisplacedCornellian · February 05, 2005, 05:41:37 PM

Cleveland and Chicago have played twice in the past two days. Cleveland won 3-2 without Murray in the lineup on Friday night (Baby finished at +1 with 0 pts). Today, Cleveland won 2-1 (oddly...Murray was playing, Baby was not).

Utah lost to Edmonton on Friday night, 1-0. JMP stopped 35 of 36 shots in the loss. His Edmonton counterpart, Mike Morrison (who played for Maine, if I remember correctly), stopped 19 of 19 in the shutout.

The Rancor · February 11, 2005, 12:37:40 PM

JMP traded back to Springfield for Jamie Storr

Brian · February 11, 2005, 01:27:19 PM

Sounds like they are putting all there faith into Lenny, although I don't know much about Storr. I do know that JMP has been playing very well this year. ::screwy::

atb9 · February 11, 2005, 01:42:35 PM

[Q]Brian Wrote:

Sounds like they are putting all there faith into Lenny, although I don't know much about Storr. I do know that JMP has been playing very well this year. [/q]

Jamie Storr was traded on loan from Springfield to Utah for Jean-Marc Pelltier. In an effort to change their fortunes the two AHL clubs exchanged struggling goaltenders. We doubt the trade will make much of a difference to either.

There you go.

Will · February 11, 2005, 01:56:35 PM

I'm not very familiar with how trades work in the AHL. Is trading on loan like this a common procedure? Are clauses built in to make the trade permanent should both clubs agree?

Brian · February 11, 2005, 04:23:47 PM

Maybe they are not struggling goaltenders, maybe it's the defense in front of them!

Jacob '06 · February 11, 2005, 04:36:31 PM

[Q]Brian Wrote:

Maybe they are not struggling goaltenders, maybe it's the defense in front of them![/q]

That certainly was mostly the case for utah when I saw them play.

DisplacedCornellian · February 12, 2005, 12:01:42 AM

[Q]atb9 Wrote:

[Q2]Brian Wrote:

Sounds like they are putting all there faith into Lenny, although I don't know much about Storr. I do know that JMP has been playing very well this year. [/Q]
Jamie Storr was traded on loan from Springfield to Utah for Jean-Marc Pelltier. In an effort to change their fortunes the two AHL clubs exchanged struggling goaltenders. We doubt the trade will make much of a difference to either.

There you go.[/q]

And after all this, Storr started for Utah tonight, and JMP started for Springfield. Storr stopped 40 of 42 shots in a 5-2 Utah win. JMP faced the same number of shots, but only stopped 38 of them, as Springfield lost 4-1.

DeltaOne81 · February 12, 2005, 12:17:49 AM

[Q]Will Wrote:

I'm not very familiar with how trades work in the AHL. Is trading on loan like this a common procedure? Are clauses built in to make the trade permanent should both clubs agree?[/q]
Loaning player, as part of a 'trade' or not, is pretty common in the AHL. If the club has a need, or the club can't fit a guy into their lineup, they may lend him away. After all, the Bruins couldn't care less if the Phantoms win the Calder Cup over the P-Bruins, so long as their prospects get the experience (not to say they don't try to put a good AHL club on the ice (usually), but they're it doesn't exactly effect their long term plans).

Now when I say its common, I don't mean most teams have several loaned guys. I mean that most teams are involved of one or two trades/loans of that nature every season or two - at least that's my very general estimate. So you're aware of it, but its not constantly going on.

If a 'swap' like that does work out, the two teams can feel free to work out a trade for the players to make it permanent, but I don't think the swap/loan agreement includes any such option itself.

KeithK · February 12, 2005, 02:01:08 AM

It's still an interesting situation. It certainly doesn't happen in baseball. It's probably a consequence of the less structured minor league/farm system that exists in hockey. I don't know if this is the case anymore, but there used to be AHL teams that were affiliated with multiple NHL teams. In that case you already have development collaboration with other franchises, so it's not too much of a stretch to have loans.