Quest for #1 seed

[jkahn]

[Q]jy3 wrote:
how do they figure out the winning percentage. i always thought that a tie counted as a win and a loss so 3-1-2 turns into 5-3 = .625.[/q]
A tie is, as it should be, 1/2 a win and 1/2 a loss, so 3-1-2 equals 4-2-0 = .667.

[calgARI '07]

So with Cornell and BC tied for fourth, would that mean they both go to the same regional?  I personally would love another shot at BC.  I think in a less penalty filled, playoff game Cornell would have a great shot.

[nyc94]

And St. Lawrence is barely clinging to TUC status.  RPI = 0.5022

[Jacob '06]

[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote:

 So with Cornell and BC tied for fourth, would that mean they both go to the same regional?  I personally would love another shot at BC.  I think in a less penalty filled, playoff game Cornell would have a great shot.[/q]

In the current comparison, we would win because our RPI is better from what other people have told me. That would make it 4 cornell and 5 BC, so if they follow strict rankings to place the teams in the regionals, we would be put in the same regional.

Of course all of this is somewhat pointless to discuss, because any decent bonus puts BC ahead of us, and our RPI is going to drop for the rest of the season.

[KeithK]

If two teams finish tied, the tie is broken by the individual comparison between the teams.  Right now Cornell and BC are tied 2-2 in the individual comparison so the tie is broken by RPI.  Thus Cornell would finish 4th in the overall pairwise and BC 5th.  (Ignoring bonus points here, which may well flip this comparison.)

If this is the case the only guarantee would be that Cornell would get a #1 seed somewhere and BC a #2 somewhere.  There's no guarantee it would be the same regional.  It might be and I think there's a reasonable chance it would be if inter-conference first round matchups didn't cause problems.

[jeh25]

[Q]jkahn Wrote:

 [Q2]jy3 wrote:
how do they figure out the winning percentage. i always thought that a tie counted as a win and a loss so 3-1-2 turns into 5-3 = .625.[/Q]
A tie is, as it should be, 1/2 a win and 1/2 a loss, so 3-1-2 equals 4-2-0 = .667.[/q]

and they let yowpa prescribe drugs? scary.... ::nut:: :-P ;-)

[finchphil]

Yes SLU is borderline TUC, but they do have that critical Quality Win on the Road which will help some.   I hope.

[Ken \'70]

There's no "might be" about it.  4 plays 5 unless it's intraconference or 5 is a host at a site that 4 can't play at.  

[Avash]

[Q]Ken '70 Wrote:

 There's no "might be" about it.  4 plays 5 unless it's intraconference or 5 is a host at a site that 4 can't play at.  [/q]


Maybe I'm missing something (and perhaps you just mean that they'd be within the same regional), but doesn't 4 play 13, while 5 plays 12?

[Jacob '06]

[Q]Avash '05 Wrote:

 [Q2]Ken '70 Wrote:

 There's no "might be" about it.  4 plays 5 unless it's intraconference or 5 is a host at a site that 4 can't play at.  [/Q]
Maybe I'm missing something (and perhaps you just mean that they'd be within the same regional), but doesn't 4 play 13, while 5 plays 12?
[/q]

Regionals are 4 teams, so the winner of 4 and 13 plays the winner of 5 and 12.
Edit: I didn't see that you said that right below your question, so yeah we were just saying they would be in the same regional.

[nyc94]

Gotta love Jason Moy's pre-bonus brackets where we get Alabama-Huntsville in Amherst.
http://www.uscho.com/news/2005/02/08_009888.php
4 ECAC teams make the tournament.

Bonus points make us the #6 seed with a first round date with BU in Worcester and only Cornell and Harvard make the tournament.

[Tub(a)]

[Q]nyc94 Wrote:

 Gotta love Jason Moy's pre-bonus brackets where we get Alabama-Huntsville in Amherst.

4 ECAC teams make the tournament.

Bonus points make us the #6 seed with a first round date with BU in Worcester and only Cornell and Harvard make the tournament.[/q]

First round against rival BU on NHL ice with either Maine or Denver waiting?

Let's call it a season today and get started!

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]Ken '70 Wrote:

 There's no "might be" about it.  4 plays 5 unless it's intraconference or 5 is a host at a site that 4 can't play at.  [/q]

All else being equal, they will try to pair 1d with 2a, but there's no hard and fast rule like there is about keeping teams in the appropriate bands.

[Ken \'70]

You're mistaken if you think they casually disregard the sanctity of 1,8,9,16 etc.  

Do you think Jayson Moy of USCHO doesn't know what he's talking about, or have you observed the committee disregarding that seeding methodoloy in past years?

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]Ken '70 Wrote:

 You're mistaken if you think they casually disregard the sanctity of 1,8,9,16 etc.  

Do you think Jayson Moy of USCHO doesn't know what he's talking about, or have you observed the committee disregarding that seeding methodoloy in past years?[/q]

Jayson Moy is a secondary source, and we have a grand total of two 16-team tournaments on which to base our conclusions.  The official word from the NCAA is on page 12 of the Division I Ice Hockey Handbook: http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/iceHockey/2005/2005_d1_m_ice_hockey_handbook.pdf    Go read that before making any pronouncements about what the committee will or will not do.

There is no sanctity of 1,8,9,16 etc.  The only place the handbook mentions 1-16 rankings is to divide the teams into four bands, and to rank the #1 seeds to place them into the nearest regional.  Trying to pair the lowest-ranked #1 seed with the highest-ranked #2 seed falls under the umbrella of "competitive equity" and "balancing the brackets", and they presumably will do it if their other considerations allow but it is not a hard and fast rule.  They do not think of a team as on overall #5 or #11 seed, but as a 2a or 3c seed.  This is a point they stressed to us when explaining how overall #1 Cornell got paired with overall #14 Mankato State when they could instead have avoided the intraconference matchups by pairing overall #3 Minnesota with overall #12 Harvard.  All the 1-seeds must play 4-seeds and the 2-seeds must play 3-seeds.  They'll even schedule intraconference matchups in the first found if they're forced to in order to maintain the 1-4 seeding in each regional.  That's what they mean by "integrity of the bracket".