Quest for #1 seed

[jtwcornell91]

Idle question: is there any reasion why you keep talking about "routing" for teams?  I'm pretty sure, in a sports context, it's supposed to be spelled "rooting", and you do use that spelling once.

[billhoward]

[Q]jtwcornell91 Wrote:  ... is there any reasion why you keep talking about "routing" for teams?[/q]Um, he's planning to hack the BU site?

Do the British or Australians spell it routing or rooting? Although "rooting for the home team" has a different meaning down under and may explain the extreme popularity of sports. http://psy.otago.ac.nz/r_oshea/oztaboo.html

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:
Do the British or Australians spell it routing or rooting?
[/q]

They spell it "supporting" for reasons you allude to.

[Will]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

Do the British or Australians spell it routing or rooting?

[/q]

As far as I know, when it comes to supporting one's team, nobody correctly spells it "routing".

[DeltaOne81]

Cause I'm an engineer and I can't spell.

But hey, I was 2 for 5 in that last post. That's a hall of fame batting average :-P

[Jacob '06]

[Q]DeltaOne81 Wrote:

 Cause I'm an engineer and I can't spell.

But hey, I was 2 for 5 in that last post. That's a hall of fame batting average  [/q]

At least you are better than the guy on USCHO in one of the cornell bashing threads that writes "schedualing" repeatedly.

[Ken \'70]

You folks need to look a little more deeply into the PWR.  AA dropped from TUC last night, it was obvious they were going to.  As such Cornell needs a lot of help to flip the MN comparison since MN got a big TUC boost as a result .

Even if Cornell plays and wins two TUC games in Albany, MN probably has to lose two TUC games for that comparison to flip.  Probability of both, less than 50%.

The BC comparison is very interesting this morning.  Tied at TUC and COP with BC playing a COP tonight (ME).  If ME wins the comparison may flip.  If BC wins tonight this comparison will be very difficult to flip and will be out of our control. If we're perfect the rest of the way, and with some help, its still possible this could flip.  But still under 50% with a BC win tonight.

If Denver had lost last night we would have had a good chance to flip that one soon, if it hadn't happened already.  This is the most likely of all, just root for the Denver opponents from here on out.  Probablility 50%

CC comp is out of the question. Probability 10%.

So where does this leave us?  In MN for the regionals as the 5 seed.  Unless...

You give up the #1 seed idea and look toward a #6 or #7 seed which would most likely keep the team east against BC or whoever between DU/CC gets shipped east.
(BC isn't going to get the top seed).  This means - GO RPI!

[Steve M]

Other than Brown and SLU winning, last night was a bad night for the #1 seed chances as all 3 teams we have a shot at passing won, and UAA lost.  UAA still has a chance to be a TUC.  If they win tonight, and just one playoff game (most likely against Minn) they will be a TUC again.  I don't think this is a total long shot since they were able to take 3 of 4 points in Minny a few weeks ago.  Also if you use your probablilites (say it's 1/3 of passing Minn and 1/3 of passing BC) the chance that Cornell passes neither Minn, BC, Denver, nor CC is only ~20%.

[Robb]

[Q]Robb Wrote:

 I just don't see a #1 seed in the cards.  With a 5-3-1 bonus, our comparison with BC looks like:



If all that comes to pass, I'm all for tanking a couple of (regular season) games to give Michigan a taste of their own medicine as the #5 overall seed at Mariucci!  Now watch Minny turn it on and we'll go out there as the #6...

[/q]

Well, well - looks like we didn't have to tank those games to drop below both UMs.  Now we just need Minnesota to retake the Michigan comparison to keep the Wolverines out of the east!

[jy3]

3-2-1
1. cc
1. denver
1. bc
4. umich
5. minne
5. cornell
7. hahvahd
8. und
9 bu
10 dc
10 tosu
10 wi
13. uhn
14. nmu
14. maine
16 mich st
17. msu
18. 'gate
the top 3 each win a comparison so rpi tie breaks (right?)
minne over cornell (individual)
for 10th
dc over tosu, wi
tosu over wi
wi over none of them
14th
nmu over maine
so it is in order as above just ignore the numbers

#1's: cc, denver, bc, umich
#2's: minne, cornell, hahvahd, und
#3's: bu, dc, tosu, wi
#4's: uhn, nmu, maine, aha/ch, cha/aha

grand rapids
1. cc (1)
2. und (
3. tosu (11)
4. cha/aha (Q)(16)

minnesota
1. denver (2)
2. minne*(5)
3. dc (10)
4. aha/cha (bemidji state)(15)

amherst
1. umich (4)
2. hahvahd (7)
3. wi (12)
4. uhn (13)

worcester
1. bc (3)
2. cornell (6)
3. bu* (9)
4. maine (14)

so bu has to go in worcester and minne in minneapolis. which messes things up b/c denver should be placed

closer to home in minne- that keeps the bands ok but not the 1 v 16 blah blah blah right.

we have some problems.
bc and maine cant meet in the first round. maine cant swap with uhn. not sure if they would swap umich

and bc. how about maine and bemidji state?
->
grand rapids
1. cc (1)
2. ----und (
3. ----tosu (11)
4. cha/aha (Q)(16)

minnesota
1. denver (2)
2. ----minne*(5)
3. ----dc (10)
4. maine (14)

amherst
1. umich (4)
2. ----hahvahd (7)
3. ----wi (12)
4. uhn (13)

worcester
1. bc (3)
2. ----cornell (6)
3. ----bu* (9)
4. aha/cha (bemidji state)(15)
no intraconference matchups now. not sure about attendance
again, minne being (5) and denver needing go into minne as well as bu being (9) and needing to go to

worcester makes things a bit askew.

[jy3]

oops cc is closer to minne...

3-2-1
1. cc
1. denver
1. bc
4. umich
5. minne
5. cornell
7. hahvahd
8. und
9 bu
10 dc
10 tosu
10 wi
13. uhn
14. nmu
14. maine
16 mich st
17. msu
18. 'gate
the top 3 each win a comparison so rpi tie breaks (right?)
minne over cornell (individual)
for 10th
dc over tosu, wi
tosu over wi
wi over none of them
14th
nmu over maine
so it is in order as above just ignore the numbers

#1's: cc, denver, bc, umich
#2's: minne, cornell, hahvahd, und
#3's: bu, dc, tosu, wi
#4's: uhn, nmu, maine, aha/ch, cha/aha

grand rapids
1. denver (2)
2. und (
3. dc (10)
4. aha/cha (bemidji state)(15)

minnesota
1. cc (1)
2. minne*(5)
3. tosu (11)
4. cha/aha (Q)(16)

amherst
1. umich (4)
2. hahvahd (7)
3. wi (12)
4. uhn (13)

worcester
1. bc (3)
2. cornell (6)
3. bu* (9)
4. maine (14)

so bu has to go in worcester and minne in minneapolis. which messes things up b/c cc should be placed

closer to home in minne- that keeps the bands ok but not the 1 v 16 1 v 8 blah blah blah right.

we have some problems.
theoretically with 5 teams from one conference they can ignore the no intraconference 1st round matchups but lets see what we can do...
bc cant play maine. amazingly that is the only intraconference with 5 wcha teams in
so what about doing this:
maine cant swap with uhn so either maine with seed 15 or 16 or swap bc and umich. i would do 14 with 15.
->
grand rapids
1. denver (2)
2. ---und (
3. ---dc (10)
4. maine (14)

minnesota
1. cc (1)
2. ---minne*(5)
3. ---tosu (11)
4. cha/aha (Q)(16)

amherst
1. umich (4)
2. ---hahvahd (7)
3. ---wi (12)
4. uhn (13)

worcester
1. bc (3)
2. ---cornell (6)
3. ---bu* (9)
4. aha/cha (bemidji state)(15)

see what you think, minne and bu make things less than ideal...

[jtwcornell91]

CC has to go to the closest regional, as the overall #1, so they'd be in Minneapolis, not Grand Rapids.  (I'm pretty sure the committee wouldn't consider those two sites more or less the same distance, like they did with Cornell going to Providence vs Worcester in 2003.)

[rita]

hi...
most of the bracket predictions i've seen have cornell staying east as a "high" seed in the 2nd band. as much as the lynah faithful, the lynah east contingent (and the team) would hate to see it, what are the chances that they would end up in grand rapids?

just curious, since i am in hockey hell, but only ~ 4 hrs from grand rapids.

thanks
rita

[Will]

[Q]rita Wrote:

 hi...
most of the bracket predictions i've seen have cornell staying east as a "high" seed in the 2nd band. as much as the lynah faithful, the lynah east contingent (and the team) would hate to see it, what are the chances that they would end up in grand rapids?

just curious, since i am in hockey hell, but only ~ 4 hrs from grand rapids.

thanks
rita [/q]

I don't know, Grand Rapids wouldn't be so bad.  At least, it's not much worse than East Lansing in terms of distance from Ithaca.  Minneapolis is the regional I do not want Cornell to end up at, since that's likely the only one to which I couldn't make it.

[Steve M]

[Q]rita Wrote:

 hi...
most of the bracket predictions i've seen have cornell staying east as a "high" seed in the 2nd band. as much as the lynah faithful, the lynah east contingent (and the team) would hate to see it, what are the chances that they would end up in grand rapids?

just curious, since i am in hockey hell, but only ~ 4 hrs from grand rapids.

thanks
rita [/q]


If we get a #1 seed, we're almost assured of staying east.  If we stay a 2 seed, my guess is about 15-20%.  So overall, not very likely.

Where are you that's hockey hell?  My first love of hockey developed when I lived near Detroit as a 10 year old.  There aren't too many places outside Michigan that are more rabid about hockey IMHO.  Orange County, CA is hockey hell (at least for the college game).