Non-Students in the Student Section

[WITCHYWOMAN]

I don't like that jerk Facetimer, but I think he/she/it raises a good point.  I am one of those people that did not get a line number this year for tickets.  The Cornell ticket office allocates certain sections to students, and other sections to alumni/staff/faculty/general public/etc.  Alumni should sit in their seats, and only in their allocated seats.  It's bad enough that the students don't got a majority of the seats in Lynah.

That said, I call on Cowbell Guy to surrender his tickets to a student.  While at first it didn't seem to bother me, in viewing his website I noticed that while he is taking up a student seat, he is doing this only for personal gain and profit.

You will notice a PayPal link on the bottom of the page, where Cowbell Guy seeks donations for this site.  Also, when you click on his images of each game, he writes that pictures are available for purchase and licensing.  Maybe he will argue that he breaks even, if that, for hosting the site, but the fact remains that on all pictures and in links on his website, there are free advertisments for his business SalsaShark.net.  It is clear what the motives of Cowbell Guy are, and it is not fair that he seeks profit while there are many students out there that just want to get in there and watch a hockey game.

I call on Cowbell Guy to voluntarily surrender his tickets to the box office, or I will take further action by notifying Gene Nighman and other Cornell Athletics administrators of this injustice.

-Bill '04, Lynah Faithful '01, '02 and '03

[French Rage]

Yeah, it's not like he's vital to an important cheer in the game.  Moving him to the townie section would sorta kill it. ::screwy::

Furthermore, this site provides a wealth of info, pictures, and discussion about the team that would not be possible anywhere else.  While he might stand to profit on certain things, none of it is required - you can still visit the site and look at the photos for free.  so what if he gets a free advertisement for his company, I'd rather see a few logos than nothing at all.



Post Edited (12-22-03 15:17)

[Section A]

::rolleyes::

[WITCHYWOMAN]

Because noone else can do the cowbell cheer.   ::nut::

He even said he doesn't want to do it anymore.

[RedAR]

OK, let's see now...

Cowbell Guy was primarily responsible for providing the hockeycam for free before the AD screwed it all up in favor of OCSN (last season) and i2sports (this season).

He also pays a $200/month fee for high-speed server space to provide this website.  He simply suggests that people pitch in to help defray the cost.

He goes to practically every damn game (home and away) to cheer on the Red, and to play the cowbell, and to take photos.  I don't have an exact figure, but I think he's missed maybe a total of 3 games (home and away) in the past 5 years.  As much of a "Faithful" as you claim you are, I highly doubt that your attendance record can come close to matching his.

If you're pissed about the ticket fiasco, blame the powers that be.  Don't look for a scapegoat here.

[Mike Hedrick 01]

Yeah, it is so heartwarming, at this special time of year, to see such gratitude from a beneficiary of someone else's hard work.

Age, although I've never met you in person (only clapped along to your cowbell in my years in Section A), thanks for the site and all the effort you put into it.

[WITCHYWOMAN]

You got me all wrong, RedAR, I don't question Cowebell Guy's dedication, nor do I want to compare him to me.  And I also know that you are all his allies on this forum, so I know I am talking to a wall.

All I am saying is that students belong in the student section, alumni belong in the alumni section.  He can be Cornell's #1 fan, just on the other side of the ice.  As far as I know, the lighting for pictures on that side is just as good as it is on this side.

I have made my opinion known to Cornell Athletics, but I am also making it known to people who are sitting in the wrong seats, student tickets are limited, so we might as well have all students in those seats.

[rsafploc 03]

The fact that cowbell guy hasn't even said anything and has people whom he knows and doesn't know personally jump to his defence says alot. It's just ridiculous to attack someone who has obviously done his integral part as a member of the faithful. I can understand your frustration for not getting tickets.. but there could've been a million people you can blame for this. Not too many people would give you credit for blaming Age and raising this "grave and serious matter" to the clowns at the AD.

[Mike Hedrick 01]

Why don't you make your opinion known to CU athletics about the ticket system itself instead of trying to pile on one person?  

As for the sanctity of the student section, I went to pretty much every home game for my four years, and each season half the people sitting around me were different every game (including a freaking RPI fan my senior year).   The Faithful and the student section are not synonymous.  I also think that more seats should be allowed for the current students, but attacking one person who has been sitting in Section B for years before you arrived on the Hill doesn't solve anything at all.

[ugarte]

I expect a denial, but I suspect that WITCHYWOMAN (nice Eagles reference, btw) = Facetimer.

[melissa\'01]

I'm all for supporting my gender but that "W" needs to be replaced with a "B". Get off your high horse. Some alumni find ways to get tix in the "student" section. If they have the means, intelligence or drive to do so, all the power to them. The percentage of seats in the student section occupied by alumni is far less than those occupied by student "facetimers".  I recommend you try and find a way to weed out these ignorant student fans before attacking the older more dedicated HOCKEY FANS.

Age has done more for CU hockey than a great deal of so called faithful. Simply wearing the shirt (as so many "faithful" do) doesn't cut it. Singling him out is not only wrong but hypocritical. I have no doubt that you cheer along with the bell at every game and that your Lynah experience has been influenced by his game antics - not just wrt the cowbell but also the occasional original cheer/comment deviating outside the realm of the overused ______ SUCKS!

Now that I've had my rant I've gotta say that this board is disintegrating before our eyes. It seems like we have a second USCHO. Yuck! Can we please leave the flame fests there?

[Beeeej]

Last I knew, students who got line numbers could buy a pair of tickets each... is that no longer the case?  There's a long tradition of recent alumni taking advantage of this system by having undergrad friends buy their tickets and therefore being able to stay in A or B as long as they possibly can - because it's a fine place to be, and because they want to contribute to the mayhem.

Nobody has ever suggested to me that it was wrong, and it's unlikely anybody will convince me now - especially when the student sections are rarely full until the end of the first period, and are rife with facetimers who don't know or care about hockey.

And especially when they're hiding behind an anonymous post and a big ball of seething anger.

Beeeej

P.S. I'll be surprised if Gene even hiccups, much less considers taking Age's tickets.

P.P.S. For everything Age has done to facilitate the Faithful community, as far as I'm concerned he deserves every bit of profit and "personal gain" he can eke out of it.



Post Edited (12-22-03 16:27)

[gtsully]

And hey, if it puts an end to the foolish Macho Man and Gary Glitter dances (where the hell did THAT abomination come from, by the way ::yark:: ), I say put more alumni in the student sections...

But as far as blaming someone who clearly did not skirt the line for personal monetary gain or just to get Harvard tickets because it's "the cool thing to do," just because you got screwed by athletics... get over yourself.

[Beeeej]

I'm afraid to ask.

Gary Glitter dance...?

Beeeej

[rhovorka]

First of all, there is no "alumni section."  Athletics sells the seats in A, B, D, E, F, and G to people with valid student IDs.  Whatever happens to them after that isn't the fault of the Athletics Dept, Gene Nighman, or the people who buy or acquire them.  Blame those students who sell their tickets, if it really bothers you.

 The remaining seats are sold to renewing season ticket holders, sold as single-game tickets, given to opponents, or given as comps to the coaches and players.

I've known many alumni who come back for one weekend and want to relive their time in B or show their spouse what being in the student section was like.  Hate them or not, if they can get tickets for that section, then they have every right to be there.

This complaint is the most petty I've seen here, Bill.  It sounds like you would prefer a Student General Admission set-up to the current ticket system.  Many here wouldn't mind that, but for other reasons than yours.