Non-Students in the Student Section

[Beeeej]

WITCHYWOMAN wrote:
You guys don't get it.::screwy::

If I could chose what alumni I want sitting in the student section Cowbell Guy would be at the top of the list.  But that isn't my point.

Eleven hours earlier:

WITCHYWOMAN wrote:
While at first it didn't seem to bother me, in viewing his website I noticed that while he is taking up a student seat, he is doing this only for personal gain and profit.

...It is clear what the motives of Cowbell Guy are, and it is not fair that he seeks profit while there are many students out there that just want to get in there and watch a hockey game.

Of course he'd be at the top of your list.

Sorry, "Bill," but for some reason I think you lose your moral authority to suddenly express admiration for a guy when you've been accusing him in front of his friends of trying to rip his friends off.

You want Cornell to make a hard and fast rule against alumni sitting in student sections, that's one thing - feel free to take your case to the AD, though (again) I doubt you'll have much luck as along as each student can buy a pair of season tickets.  But trying to get individual alumni thrown out, especially when you can't seem to decide for sure why, is transparently petty and smacks of personal vendetta.

And as has already been pointed out, I don't think Facetimer has any arguments, just some bizarre kind of inferiority complex.  Now that may deserve your sympathy.  Excuse me, "sypathy."

Beeeej



Post Edited (12-23-03 05:52)

[Will]

Before this argument becomes more pointless and stupid, let me ask a question, just to clarify something (perhaps only to myself): how does Age acquire his tickets each season?  Are his seats 'reserved' by Athletics, so that only he can buy them?  Do legitimate students buy his tickets and then give/sell them to him?

I should also note that I'd like Age to continue to occupy his seats and run eLynah however he sees fit.  I'm just trying to possibly find a way to justify Age's presence in section B to WITCHYWOMAN.

[CowbellGuy]

Heh. I'm persona non grata in much of athletics for various reasons. I'll share that jockstrap with John the day they reserve me a seat. No, I just pay a student for their second set of tickets, and even though I'm not technically in it, I'm at the ticket line. For what it's worth, I'm in A this year since my very dedicated student friend who started lining up on Wednesday got screwed like so many others.

[ugarte]

Jeffrey "Beeeej" Anbinder '94 wrote:
And as has already been pointed out, I don't think Facetimer has any arguments, just some bizarre kind of inferiority complex.  Now that may deserve your sympathy.  Excuse me, "sypathy."

That was very synical, Beeeej.

[gtsully]

Jeffrey "Beeeej" Anbinder '94 wrote:

I'm afraid to ask.

Gary Glitter dance...?

Beeeej

Be afraid... be very afraid...

As Rich said, it looks like a giant aerobics work-out, and almost as pathetic as Macho Man.  Not to give anyone any ideas, but it borders on "YMCA" - the students raise their left and right arms (at an angle, as if they're forming one half of the Y) alternately after they clap and, I can't stress this enough, it looks really stupid.

The point of Gary Glitter is to intimidate the opponent, and this little number not only encourages a visiting team that victory is not only possible, but very likely because, hey, the fans don't care - they're dancing!

This probably sounds kinda strong, but I don't care.  I just want the few people who both read this board and do these silly dances to know that they are adding to the pussification of Lynah that athletics seems bent on achieving.

There, I said it.  No smileys - I'm semi-serious.

[ugarte]

Sully '00 wrote:

The point of Gary Glitter is to intimidate the opponent, and this little number not only encourages a visiting team that victory is not only possible, but very likely because, hey, the fans don't care - they're dancing!

I really wish people would stop pretending that we, as fans, intimidate our opponents.  We may "inspire" our team by our show of support.  We may make it difficult for the opposition to call out instructions because they aren't used to the volume.  We may intimidate the refs a little (though there is no evidence of that).

The visiting team isn't intimidated, nor does the GG dance make the opposition think that we are weak, distracted and easily overrun.  I am no fan of the GG dance but it isn't costing us goals, much less games.

[Will]

Cowbell Guy wrote:

Heh. I'm persona non grata in much of athletics for various reasons. I'll share that jockstrap with John the day they reserve me a seat. No, I just pay a student for their second set of tickets, and even though I'm not technically in it, I'm at the ticket line. For what it's worth, I'm in A this year since my very dedicated student friend who started lining up on Wednesday got screwed like so many others.

I kinda figured as much, but I just wanted to be sure.

In any case, it seems clear to me that this is a very valid right to be where you are in Lynah.  You aren't 'stealing' seats from a supposedly more deserving student, since a student bought your tickets originally and then sold them to you (presumedly at face value).  And, to add insult to injury to WITCHYWOMAN'S request, you did your time in the line.

[Josh '99]

big red apple wrote:
I really wish people would stop pretending that we, as fans, intimidate our opponents.  We may "inspire" our team by our show of support.  We may make it difficult for the opposition to call out instructions because they aren't used to the volume.  We may intimidate the refs a little (though there is no evidence of that).

The visiting team isn't intimidated, nor does the GG dance make the opposition think that we are weak, distracted and easily overrun.  I am no fan of the GG dance but it isn't costing us goals, much less games.

"Intimidate" may not be the right word, but if you believe we've never gotten into a visiting goalie's head, then you're not giving the fans enough credit.

[Báby_Fan]

I kind of like the GG "dance" as you all call it.  

It certainly helps keep people from clapping too fast and getting off beat (like sections D-G often do in the second round).

From the townie section (where I've been allowed to sit even though I'm a student, GASP!) it looks impressive and eye-catching.

I say keep it!

[D!]

I'm no friend of Age's, and he's no friend of mine.  In fact, the few times I've met him in the games, he comes off as downright smug.  On the other hand, I'm sure I come off even worse.

Thing is, that's hardly the point.  

It doesn't matter who Age is.  It doesn't matter how many games he goes to, whether or not he advertises, how much he does for the community, or whatever other bloody complaint that someone might levy.  

Athletics has a policy and his methods of gaining a ticket jibe with that policy.  The last I checked, buying someone else's ticket was not considered "stealing."  Heck, there isn't even any unfair leveraging.  

While the ticket sales approaches vary year-over-year in degrees of stupidity, what remains is that only a minority of students can obtain a ticket for themselves and one other person.  Period.  No regulation of how old you are, your alumni status, how loud you cheer, nor whether or not you have a cowbell in hand.  There is a reason for this and it's called Fair Play.  Age play's fair, what else does he need?  There's no need to drag anything else into this.

---
Bottom line aside, I am very grateful for the work that Age has done over the years and appreciative of the benefits that I have received from his hard work.  Age, please keep it up, and thank you for all you have done and continue to do.  

Darren Leung
'96

[DeltaOne81]

Ya know, you can't criticize Age... after all, he is the 'Coolest Guy in the World' ::burnout::

[A-19]

to throw another wrench into the whole debate, i have been told numerous times by athletics (in the past few months) that the biggest change they will make for next season's line is a one-person, one-number, one-ticket policy. this is not aimed at alums whatsoever. (if an alum wanted tickets badly enough (s)he could find a student to wait, or procure a legitimate id anyway). in my discussions with the AD, this policy would be aimed at reducing the number of fans who get tickets by waiting in line for a very short time (youd have to do the time yourself, if you want all of your season tickets). more importantly, it would prevent alot of the scalping that went on last year, since the scalpers would have to decide between the money OR any tickets at all. nothing is final til it actually is enforced, but that's what i've heard. so in the context of this debate, the new policy being kicked around would, i think, end up slightly hurting alums like age and many others. but the guy hasn't missed a game since 1998; i'm sure he can find someone to help him out with tickets.

also, as a much bigger implication of this possible policy, you would have to deal with twice as many students lining up (1600 instead of 800). so the rest of the line policy would have to be flawless or all hell could break loose.

mike rosenberg '04

[JDeafvCornell]

What happened to the forum ...  ::worry::  ... where are the days of discussions about Doug Murray's inability to keep the puck in the zone, or Mark McRae's underratedness, or McKee leading the ECAC in GAA?

Anyway, I didn't know that any section in Lynah was actually a 'student' section.  Instead there are sections where every 2 tickets are sold to one student and used by anyone.

As for the student activity fee, the portion athletics gets is NOT just for reducing the cost of men's ice hockey, but for making every other sport free to students.

Enjoy those other sports, they're totally free, start a new student only section at the field hockey games.  

Happy Holidays and LGR!

[Greg Berge]

Many opposing players have commented over the years that, after the first few times at Lynah to absorb the atmosphere, they actually play better there because the crowd gets them up.

Likewise, the crowd's antics have distracted several opposing players over the years, culminating in Nicky Boucher's lasting contribution to Cornell hockey history.

[crodger1]

What's our Lynah ECAC RS record again?  282-92-28

http://members.cox.net/tbrw/cornellHistory/lynahRS.html

EDIT:  is it thread drift if you are drifting TO the topic of hockey?



Post Edited (12-24-03 10:19)