HARVARD SUCKS

[Josh '99]

While this is not hockey, it does pertain to Hahvahd Sucking:

Harvard senior co-captain Kyle Casey plans to withdraw from school and is likely to miss the entire 2012-13 season after being implicated in a widespread academic cheating scandal, multiple sources told SI.com.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/ncaa/09/10/harvard-casey/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a2&eref=sihp

I saw something about this on the ESPN ticket earlier (because apparently Ivy League sports are important enough when it's Harvard) and I think it said one other player was implicated in addition to Casey.

Harvard sucks.

Co-captain and team assist leader Brandon Curry is also being investigated and will likely withdraw from Harvard too. It's in the link above.
That means Harvard will likely be without their top scorer and assist leader. So much for that second trip to the NCAA tournament. I guess they'll have to wait another 66 years

I read somewhere that it was Curry, Casey, and potentially another player. Also are we really complaining about something that makes Harvard look bad getting coverage (other than that it makes the league as a whole look bad, but my animosity toward Harvard is high enough that I don't care).

I wasn't so much complaining about the fact that this particular incident was drawing attention to Harvard as about that they seemed to (though this is my subjective recollection and maybe I'm wrong) get so much more hype last year than the far-superior (IMO) Wittman-Dale-Foote Cornell teams of a few years back.

[Towerroad]

Cheer fodder, to be sure.

Give me a C
Give me an H
Give me an E
Give me an A
Give me a T

Whats that spell... Harvard

(I am sure the faithful can do better)

Give me an A
Give me an A
Give me an A
Give me an A

 .......

The best chants have some element of believability and I don't think anyone on here believes that Sucks students take even four classes.

Also, in this case, wouldn't it be "steal an A,..."?

I hate to break tradition but perhaps during the introductions we could put down our papers and just chant CHEATER...CHEATER slow and steady. I suspect that if this was taken up at every Ivy venue the punishment would be far worse, and more effective, that any doled out by the SUCKS admin.

[Trotsky]

Cheer fodder, to be sure.

Give me a C
Give me an H
Give me an E
Give me an A
Give me a T

Whats that spell... Harvard

(I am sure the faithful can do better)

Give me an A
Give me an A
Give me an A
Give me an A

 .......

The best chants have some element of believability and I don't think anyone on here believes that Sucks students take even four classes.

Also, in this case, wouldn't it be "steal an A,..."?

I hate to break tradition but perhaps during the introductions we could put down our papers and just chant CHEATER...CHEATER slow and steady. I suspect that if this was taken up at every Ivy venue the punishment would be far worse, and more effective, that any doled out by the SUCKS admin.

Dangle the paper with one hand while taunting "Answer Key!"

[TimV]

Dangle the paper with one hand while taunting "Answer Key!"

::rock::::rock::::rock::

Three rocks.

[French Rage]

While this is not hockey, it does pertain to Hahvahd Sucking:

Harvard senior co-captain Kyle Casey plans to withdraw from school and is likely to miss the entire 2012-13 season after being implicated in a widespread academic cheating scandal, multiple sources told SI.com.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/ncaa/09/10/harvard-casey/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a2&eref=sihp

I saw something about this on the ESPN ticket earlier (because apparently Ivy League sports are important enough when it's Harvard) and I think it said one other player was implicated in addition to Casey.

Harvard sucks.

Co-captain and team assist leader Brandon Curry is also being investigated and will likely withdraw from Harvard too. It's in the link above.
That means Harvard will likely be without their top scorer and assist leader. So much for that second trip to the NCAA tournament. I guess they'll have to wait another 66 years

I read somewhere that it was Curry, Casey, and potentially another player. Also are we really complaining about something that makes Harvard look bad getting coverage (other than that it makes the league as a whole look bad, but my animosity toward Harvard is high enough that I don't care).

I wasn't so much complaining about the fact that this particular incident was drawing attention to Harvard as about that they seemed to (though this is my subjective recollection and maybe I'm wrong) get so much more hype last year than the far-superior (IMO) Wittman-Dale-Foote Cornell teams of a few years back.

Because Harvard is much more of a household name and sportswriters are tremendously lazy.

[Jordan 04]

While this is not hockey, it does pertain to Hahvahd Sucking:

Harvard senior co-captain Kyle Casey plans to withdraw from school and is likely to miss the entire 2012-13 season after being implicated in a widespread academic cheating scandal, multiple sources told SI.com.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/ncaa/09/10/harvard-casey/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a2&eref=sihp

I saw something about this on the ESPN ticket earlier (because apparently Ivy League sports are important enough when it's Harvard) and I think it said one other player was implicated in addition to Casey.

Harvard sucks.

Co-captain and team assist leader Brandon Curry is also being investigated and will likely withdraw from Harvard too. It's in the link above.
That means Harvard will likely be without their top scorer and assist leader. So much for that second trip to the NCAA tournament. I guess they'll have to wait another 66 years

I read somewhere that it was Curry, Casey, and potentially another player. Also are we really complaining about something that makes Harvard look bad getting coverage (other than that it makes the league as a whole look bad, but my animosity toward Harvard is high enough that I don't care).

I wasn't so much complaining about the fact that this particular incident was drawing attention to Harvard as about that they seemed to (though this is my subjective recollection and maybe I'm wrong) get so much more hype last year than the far-superior (IMO) Wittman-Dale-Foote Cornell teams of a few years back.

Because Harvard is much more of a household name and sportswriters are tremendously lazy.

This. Such is life.

Tim Tebow seemed to get so much more hype last year than the far-superior, well, everyone.  24/7 Matt Schaub coverage doesn't attract the eyeballs.

[ugarte]

1) I encourage and support all cheers dinging Harvard as cheaters.
2) This cheating scandal feels like heaps of bullshit. There is no way 125 kids got together and decided to cheat in direct contradiction to explicit instructions. Not because 125 kids wouldn't cheat in small ways but because a "conspiracy" that large is unlikely to go undetected. The more likely explanation is that the rules regarding cooperation and discussion were ambiguous at best or indicated that such collaboration was permitted at worst. The administration is letting the kids take the fall for something that was probably the professor's fault.

[Trotsky]

1) I encourage and support all cheers dinging Harvard as cheaters.
2) This cheating scandal feels like heaps of bullshit. There is no way 125 kids got together and decided to cheat in direct contradiction to explicit instructions. Not because 125 kids wouldn't cheat in small ways but because a "conspiracy" that large is unlikely to go undetected. The more likely explanation is that the rules regarding cooperation and discussion were ambiguous at best or indicated that such collaboration was permitted at worst. The administration is letting the kids take the fall for something that was probably the professor's fault.

Sounds like there was plenty of badness to go round.

Best quote:

In years past, the course, Introduction to Congress, had a reputation as one of the easiest at Harvard College. Some of the 279 students who took it in the spring semester said that the teacher, Matthew B. Platt, an assistant professor of government, told them at the outset that he gave high grades and that neither attending his lectures nor the discussion sessions with graduate teaching fellows was mandatory.

"He said, 'I gave out 120 A's last year, and I'll give out 120 more,' " one accused student said.

But evaluations posted online by students after finals — before the cheating charges were made — in Harvard's Q Guide were filled with seething assessments, and made clear that the class was no longer easy.

[Robb]

You forgot to add, "3) Harvard sucks."

[Aaron M. Griffin]

Sounds like there was plenty of badness to go round.

Best quote:

In years past, the course, Introduction to Congress, had a reputation as one of the easiest at Harvard College. Some of the 279 students who took it in the spring semester said that the teacher, Matthew B. Platt, an assistant professor of government, told them at the outset that he gave high grades and that neither attending his lectures nor the discussion sessions with graduate teaching fellows was mandatory.

"He said, 'I gave out 120 A's last year, and I'll give out 120 more,' " one accused student said.

But evaluations posted online by students after finals — before the cheating charges were made — in Harvard's Q Guide were filled with seething assessments, and made clear that the class was no longer easy.

I think that the author grossly misunderstands Harvard College grading. A course in which only 43% of students get As is in fact hard by Harvard standards. So, there was likely no change in grading policy.

[Towerroad]

1) I encourage and support all cheers dinging Harvard as cheaters.
2) This cheating scandal feels like heaps of bullshit. There is no way 125 kids got together and decided to cheat in direct contradiction to explicit instructions. Not because 125 kids wouldn't cheat in small ways but because a "conspiracy" that large is unlikely to go undetected. The more likely explanation is that the rules regarding cooperation and discussion were ambiguous at best or indicated that such collaboration was permitted at worst. The administration is letting the kids take the fall for something that was probably the professor's fault.

Sounds like there was plenty of badness to go round.

Best quote:

In years past, the course, Introduction to Congress, had a reputation as one of the easiest at Harvard College. Some of the 279 students who took it in the spring semester said that the teacher, Matthew B. Platt, an assistant professor of government, told them at the outset that he gave high grades and that neither attending his lectures nor the discussion sessions with graduate teaching fellows was mandatory.

"He said, 'I gave out 120 A's last year, and I'll give out 120 more,' " one accused student said.

But evaluations posted online by students after finals — before the cheating charges were made — in Harvard's Q Guide were filled with seething assessments, and made clear that the class was no longer easy.

I liked the following "An accused sophomore said that in working on exams, "everybody went to the T.F.'s and begged for help. Some of the T.F.'s really laid it out for you, as explicit as you need, so of course the answers were the same." "

Every time I took a prelim or final I would do the same thing. I would raise my hand and ask the proctor "What is the answer to number 27 oh and by the way, could you solve this problem for me?"

Frankly, I am surprised that Harvard even has exams since the grade is know before the class starts.

Oh, I almost forgot Harvard Sucks

[Trotsky]

Every time I took a prelim or final I would do the same thing. I would raise my hand and ask the proctor "What is the answer to number 27 oh and by the way, could you solve this problem for me?"

In the future Harvard should just distribute pre-answered exams and have the students fill their names in.

Harvardo delenda est.

[ugarte]

I liked the following "An accused sophomore said that in working on exams, "everybody went to the T.F.'s and begged for help. Some of the T.F.'s really laid it out for you, as explicit as you need, so of course the answers were the same." "

That's my point, though. If the TF practice was to discuss the contents of an exam with the students, that's on the school for having a poorly explained (or enforced) policy regarding exams.

[Towerroad]

Every time I took a prelim or final I would do the same thing. I would raise my hand and ask the proctor "What is the answer to number 27 oh and by the way, could you solve this problem for me?"

In the future Harvard should just distribute pre-answered exams and have the students fill their names in.

Harvardo delenda est.

That is a lot of work, and they might get hand cramps. Better play it safe and just give everybody the grade they deserve. Ooops I meant an A not the grade they deserve.

Harvard sugit

[jtn27]

I liked the following "An accused sophomore said that in working on exams, "everybody went to the T.F.'s and begged for help. Some of the T.F.'s really laid it out for you, as explicit as you need, so of course the answers were the same." "

That's my point, though. If the TF practice was to discuss the contents of an exam with the students, that's on the school for having a poorly explained (or enforced) policy regarding exams.

I'm inclined to agree with ugarte. I find it very hard to believe that 125 students all worked together on the exam (or in a series of interconnected groups). If it was 5 or 10 students, I would say they cheated, but 125 is just too high a number for me to accept that the professor or TF was not in any way responsible.