Cornell 2 Princeton 1, 1/16/26

[Beeeej]

I attended games as a student from 77-81 and in 82-84 as a frequent visitor to campus.  I went to some games in the 2010-2016 years as a Cornell parent.  One thing that I never understood as I watch more games on ESPN+ from home now is why Cornell changed from shooting towards the closed end in the first and third periods.  I thought it would be more intimidating and favorable to do that.  I believe the change came after Lynah got the upgrades, but I don't remember the reason for the change in shooting direction.  Can somebody clue me in?  Thanks.

My recollection is that this was done at Coach McCutcheon's urging because he felt there was an advantage in having the scoreboard clock easily visible to the goaltender without turning, and he wanted that for two periods instead of one. I also seem to recall that the change was made after season tickets were sold (for 1987-88 I believe), so the most rabid fans purchased their seats in Sections D & E as they had been doing for years, and were absolutely livid at having only one period to yell directly at the opposing goalie rather than the rightfully expected two periods.

[stereax]

I attended games as a student from 77-81 and in 82-84 as a frequent visitor to campus.  I went to some games in the 2010-2016 years as a Cornell parent.  One thing that I never understood as I watch more games on ESPN+ from home now is why Cornell changed from shooting towards the closed end in the first and third periods.  I thought it would be more intimidating and favorable to do that.  I believe the change came after Lynah got the upgrades, but I don't remember the reason for the change in shooting direction.  Can somebody clue me in?  Thanks.

Section B, which is the current main student section, is on the shoot twice side. More tauntability. Pretty standard in college hockey to have your student section/best supporters on shoot twice.

Anyway, as for the attendance: It hasn't been as great as like, mid-February games last year, but it's been solid. Especially over intersession, because who the hell wants to be up here during intersession? I'm honestly a little more concerned that the fans we DO have are quiet than the number of butts in seats. Which kinda leads back to a point that I've been intermittently making for months now - perhaps some centralization of the student section would be good. I was watching the NU/BU women's Beanpot game from Monday and NU had a whole ass student section with synchronized choreography and shit.

People are still getting back up here, for sure. Again, like - modern students will spend as much time as possible with family and come up here on MLK Day. There's no "reason" to be here early.

(Also, what are the "afterglows"? I keep getting references to them in Casey's emails. Where is the Hall of Fame room? Is this something worth attending?)

[Chousnake]

I attended games as a student from 77-81 and in 82-84 as a frequent visitor to campus.  I went to some games in the 2010-2016 years as a Cornell parent.  One thing that I never understood as I watch more games on ESPN+ from home now is why Cornell changed from shooting towards the closed end in the first and third periods.  I thought it would be more intimidating and favorable to do that.  I believe the change came after Lynah got the upgrades, but I don't remember the reason for the change in shooting direction.  Can somebody clue me in?  Thanks.

Section B, which is the current main student section, is on the shoot twice side. More tauntability. Pretty standard in college hockey to have your student section/best supporters on shoot twice.

Anyway, as for the attendance: It hasn't been as great as like, mid-February games last year, but it's been solid. Especially over intersession, because who the hell wants to be up here during intersession? I'm honestly a little more concerned that the fans we DO have are quiet than the number of butts in seats. Which kinda leads back to a point that I've been intermittently making for months now - perhaps some centralization of the student section would be good. I was watching the NU/BU women's Beanpot game from Monday and NU had a whole ass student section with synchronized choreography and shit.

People are still getting back up here, for sure. Again, like - modern students will spend as much time as possible with family and come up here on MLK Day. There's no "reason" to be here early.

(Also, what are the "afterglows"? I keep getting references to them in Casey's emails. Where is the Hall of Fame room? Is this something worth attending?)

I think we have a chicken/egg thing with the student sections and the shooting direction change, particularly considering Beeej's post above.  In the years I had tickets as a student - 77-81- the student sections were in the closed end as well. I sat in H as a freshman and in D and E as a sophomore to senior.  Most of the frats sat in D and E in those days and I believe the students sat in C, D, E, F, G and H .  I don't recall if A and B were student sections.  The other side of the rink -K, L M N and O were not student sections. The closed end was a zoo back then.  If the students were moved primarily to the open end in A and B, that likely came after the shooting move and after the dissatisfaction as per Beeej's post when the change was made.  It doesn't make sense to me.  Just put a mini scoreboard with score and time and penalty time in the closed end and you satisfy that issue. It was a very intimidating environment for opposing goalies to have the students on top of you and behind you.  That is apparantly now gone along with the rabid crowds of the past, unfortunately.

[Al DeFlorio]

I attended games as a student from 77-81 and in 82-84 as a frequent visitor to campus.  I went to some games in the 2010-2016 years as a Cornell parent.  One thing that I never understood as I watch more games on ESPN+ from home now is why Cornell changed from shooting towards the closed end in the first and third periods.  I thought it would be more intimidating and favorable to do that.  I believe the change came after Lynah got the upgrades, but I don't remember the reason for the change in shooting direction.  Can somebody clue me in?  Thanks.

IIRC, it was felt the goalie had a better background for seeing the puck when playing at the closed end of the rink.

[Weder]

I attended games as a student from 77-81 and in 82-84 as a frequent visitor to campus.  I went to some games in the 2010-2016 years as a Cornell parent.  One thing that I never understood as I watch more games on ESPN+ from home now is why Cornell changed from shooting towards the closed end in the first and third periods.  I thought it would be more intimidating and favorable to do that.  I believe the change came after Lynah got the upgrades, but I don't remember the reason for the change in shooting direction.  Can somebody clue me in?  Thanks.

Section B, which is the current main student section, is on the shoot twice side. More tauntability. Pretty standard in college hockey to have your student section/best supporters on shoot twice.

Anyway, as for the attendance: It hasn't been as great as like, mid-February games last year, but it's been solid. Especially over intersession, because who the hell wants to be up here during intersession? I'm honestly a little more concerned that the fans we DO have are quiet than the number of butts in seats. Which kinda leads back to a point that I've been intermittently making for months now - perhaps some centralization of the student section would be good. I was watching the NU/BU women's Beanpot game from Monday and NU had a whole ass student section with synchronized choreography and shit.

People are still getting back up here, for sure. Again, like - modern students will spend as much time as possible with family and come up here on MLK Day. There's no "reason" to be here early.

(Also, what are the "afterglows"? I keep getting references to them in Casey's emails. Where is the Hall of Fame room? Is this something worth attending?)

The afterglows are receptions with players/family. Hall of Fame room is in Schoellkopf Hall. They used to charge if you weren't a booster, but not sure if that is still the case.

[stereax]

(Also, what are the "afterglows"? I keep getting references to them in Casey's emails. Where is the Hall of Fame room? Is this something worth attending?)

The afterglows are receptions with players/family. Hall of Fame room is in Schoellkopf Hall. They used to charge if you weren't a booster, but not sure if that is still the case.

Gotcha. I might be wrong, but I vaguely recall that one of those was supposed to happen last Saturday? (But, at least from my "hanging around the rink waiting for the bus to be a certain distance away so I don't get rained on and sick" tradition, I don't necessarily remember any of the players gearing up for that.) I also vaguely recall it might be like, $5 or $10 if you're not part of the CHA? But again, might be wrong.

Let me try to rephrase - if it's 9.30 PM on a Saturday postgame against Q, is this something that would be interesting enough to go and check out? I mean, there's always the possibility of just "go and if you don't like it dip early", right? How long does it last? Is it like, a dinner type thing, drinks? I have zero idea what to expect, lmao. (Then again, I've got to do witnessing at the law school at 8 AM the next day... so if it's super long... decisions, decisions...)

[stereax]

I attended games as a student from 77-81 and in 82-84 as a frequent visitor to campus.  I went to some games in the 2010-2016 years as a Cornell parent.  One thing that I never understood as I watch more games on ESPN+ from home now is why Cornell changed from shooting towards the closed end in the first and third periods.  I thought it would be more intimidating and favorable to do that.  I believe the change came after Lynah got the upgrades, but I don't remember the reason for the change in shooting direction.  Can somebody clue me in?  Thanks.

Section B, which is the current main student section, is on the shoot twice side. More tauntability. Pretty standard in college hockey to have your student section/best supporters on shoot twice.

Anyway, as for the attendance: It hasn't been as great as like, mid-February games last year, but it's been solid. Especially over intersession, because who the hell wants to be up here during intersession? I'm honestly a little more concerned that the fans we DO have are quiet than the number of butts in seats. Which kinda leads back to a point that I've been intermittently making for months now - perhaps some centralization of the student section would be good. I was watching the NU/BU women's Beanpot game from Monday and NU had a whole ass student section with synchronized choreography and shit.

People are still getting back up here, for sure. Again, like - modern students will spend as much time as possible with family and come up here on MLK Day. There's no "reason" to be here early.

(Also, what are the "afterglows"? I keep getting references to them in Casey's emails. Where is the Hall of Fame room? Is this something worth attending?)

I think we have a chicken/egg thing with the student sections and the shooting direction change, particularly considering Beeej's post above.  In the years I had tickets as a student - 77-81- the student sections were in the closed end as well. I sat in H as a freshman and in D and E as a sophomore to senior.  Most of the frats sat in D and E in those days and I believe the students sat in C, D, E, F, G and H .  I don't recall if A and B were student sections.  The other side of the rink -K, L M N and O were not student sections. The closed end was a zoo back then.  If the students were moved primarily to the open end in A and B, that likely came after the shooting move and after the dissatisfaction as per Beeej's post when the change was made.  It doesn't make sense to me.  Just put a mini scoreboard with score and time and penalty time in the closed end and you satisfy that issue. It was a very intimidating environment for opposing goalies to have the students on top of you and behind you.  That is apparantly now gone along with the rabid crowds of the past, unfortunately.

Aye - I mean, I'm a current (grad) student, so don't come looking to me for Lynah history :')

And there is a mini scoreboard on the far side split in half with those things on 'em... I guess that's somewhat recent?

[Chousnake]

I attended games as a student from 77-81 and in 82-84 as a frequent visitor to campus.  I went to some games in the 2010-2016 years as a Cornell parent.  One thing that I never understood as I watch more games on ESPN+ from home now is why Cornell changed from shooting towards the closed end in the first and third periods.  I thought it would be more intimidating and favorable to do that.  I believe the change came after Lynah got the upgrades, but I don't remember the reason for the change in shooting direction.  Can somebody clue me in?  Thanks.

IIRC, it was felt the goalie had a better background for seeing the puck when playing at the closed end of the rink.

That makes sense.  Thanks!

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

I attended games as a student from 77-81 and in 82-84 as a frequent visitor to campus.  I went to some games in the 2010-2016 years as a Cornell parent.  One thing that I never understood as I watch more games on ESPN+ from home now is why Cornell changed from shooting towards the closed end in the first and third periods.  I thought it would be more intimidating and favorable to do that.  I believe the change came after Lynah got the upgrades, but I don't remember the reason for the change in shooting direction.  Can somebody clue me in?  Thanks.

Section B, which is the current main student section, is on the shoot twice side. More tauntability. Pretty standard in college hockey to have your student section/best supporters on shoot twice.

Anyway, as for the attendance: It hasn't been as great as like, mid-February games last year, but it's been solid. Especially over intersession, because who the hell wants to be up here during intersession? I'm honestly a little more concerned that the fans we DO have are quiet than the number of butts in seats. Which kinda leads back to a point that I've been intermittently making for months now - perhaps some centralization of the student section would be good. I was watching the NU/BU women's Beanpot game from Monday and NU had a whole ass student section with synchronized choreography and shit.

People are still getting back up here, for sure. Again, like - modern students will spend as much time as possible with family and come up here on MLK Day. There's no "reason" to be here early.

(Also, what are the "afterglows"? I keep getting references to them in Casey's emails. Where is the Hall of Fame room? Is this something worth attending?)

I think we have a chicken/egg thing with the student sections and the shooting direction change, particularly considering Beeej's post above.  In the years I had tickets as a student - 77-81- the student sections were in the closed end as well. I sat in H as a freshman and in D and E as a sophomore to senior.  Most of the frats sat in D and E in those days and I believe the students sat in C, D, E, F, G and H .  I don't recall if A and B were student sections.  The other side of the rink -K, L M N and O were not student sections. The closed end was a zoo back then.  If the students were moved primarily to the open end in A and B, that likely came after the shooting move and after the dissatisfaction as per Beeej's post when the change was made.  It doesn't make sense to me.  Just put a mini scoreboard with score and time and penalty time in the closed end and you satisfy that issue. It was a very intimidating environment for opposing goalies to have the students on top of you and behind you.  That is apparantly now gone along with the rabid crowds of the past, unfortunately.

Aye - I mean, I'm a current (grad) student, so don't come looking to me for Lynah history :')

And there is a mini scoreboard on the far side split in half with those things on 'em... I guess that's somewhat recent?

Unfortunately, the fans can't see it.  And a lot of the time there are people standing on the walk behind sections G & H.  I don't know if that blocks the view.

[The Rancor]

I attended games as a student from 77-81 and in 82-84 as a frequent visitor to campus.  I went to some games in the 2010-2016 years as a Cornell parent.  One thing that I never understood as I watch more games on ESPN+ from home now is why Cornell changed from shooting towards the closed end in the first and third periods.  I thought it would be more intimidating and favorable to do that.  I believe the change came after Lynah got the upgrades, but I don't remember the reason for the change in shooting direction.  Can somebody clue me in?  Thanks.

Section B, which is the current main student section, is on the shoot twice side. More tauntability. Pretty standard in college hockey to have your student section/best supporters on shoot twice.

Anyway, as for the attendance: It hasn't been as great as like, mid-February games last year, but it's been solid. Especially over intersession, because who the hell wants to be up here during intersession? I'm honestly a little more concerned that the fans we DO have are quiet than the number of butts in seats. Which kinda leads back to a point that I've been intermittently making for months now - perhaps some centralization of the student section would be good. I was watching the NU/BU women's Beanpot game from Monday and NU had a whole ass student section with synchronized choreography and shit.

People are still getting back up here, for sure. Again, like - modern students will spend as much time as possible with family and come up here on MLK Day. There's no "reason" to be here early.

(Also, what are the "afterglows"? I keep getting references to them in Casey's emails. Where is the Hall of Fame room? Is this something worth attending?)

I think we have a chicken/egg thing with the student sections and the shooting direction change, particularly considering Beeej's post above.  In the years I had tickets as a student - 77-81- the student sections were in the closed end as well. I sat in H as a freshman and in D and E as a sophomore to senior.  Most of the frats sat in D and E in those days and I believe the students sat in C, D, E, F, G and H .  I don't recall if A and B were student sections.  The other side of the rink -K, L M N and O were not student sections. The closed end was a zoo back then.  If the students were moved primarily to the open end in A and B, that likely came after the shooting move and after the dissatisfaction as per Beeej's post when the change was made.  It doesn't make sense to me.  Just put a mini scoreboard with score and time and penalty time in the closed end and you satisfy that issue. It was a very intimidating environment for opposing goalies to have the students on top of you and behind you.  That is apparantly now gone along with the rabid crowds of the past, unfortunately.

Aye - I mean, I'm a current (grad) student, so don't come looking to me for Lynah history :')

And there is a mini scoreboard on the far side split in half with those things on 'em... I guess that's somewhat recent?

Unfortunately, the fans can't see it.  And a lot of the time there are people standing on the walk behind sections G & H.  I don't know if that blocks the view.

They put the time and score on one side screen, and way on the other side another screen has the penalties. It is a bad set up.

[andyw2100]

I attended games as a student from 77-81 and in 82-84 as a frequent visitor to campus.  I went to some games in the 2010-2016 years as a Cornell parent.  One thing that I never understood as I watch more games on ESPN+ from home now is why Cornell changed from shooting towards the closed end in the first and third periods.  I thought it would be more intimidating and favorable to do that.  I believe the change came after Lynah got the upgrades, but I don't remember the reason for the change in shooting direction.  Can somebody clue me in?  Thanks.

My recollection is that this was done at Coach McCutcheon's urging because he felt there was an advantage in having the scoreboard clock easily visible to the goaltender without turning, and he wanted that for two periods instead of one. I also seem to recall that the change was made after season tickets were sold (for 1987-88 I believe), so the most rabid fans purchased their seats in Sections D & E as they had been doing for years, and were absolutely livid at having only one period to yell directly at the opposing goalie rather than the rightfully expected two periods.

I could be wrong about this first part, but I thought that the change to shoot twice at the open end happened when Schafer came for the '95-'96 season. I came back to Ithaca for the 1990-91 season and before I was able to become a booster and pay a premium to sit in Section C, I had season tickets in B. I don't think I would have been able to get seats in B if B was the premier student section that it is now (and that D had been until the switch.)

I do know that another thing mentioned at the time the change was made (in addition to the scoreboard issue) was the occasional bad bounce off the ice-resurfacer door. (Is it still a Zamboni door if it's not a Zamboni?) Perhaps once every season or two a puck being harmlessly played around the boards will hit that door area weirdly and pop out into open ice, completely unexpectedly, often providing an easy scoring opportunity. Changing to shoot in that direction twice doubles our chances of being on the receiving end of the lucky bounce.

[Trotsky]

I thought it was related to Laing Kennedy's ongoing battle to get us to stop celebrating the ref's ovine intimacies.

[BlueSky]

The student section won't be more than half full this weekend. Most people back already are busy with rush stuff and everyone else tries to come back Sunday or Monday.

I was there last weekend and the student side sections on Saturday were 75-80% full. It will be crowded both nights.

[Beeeej]

I could be wrong about this first part, but I thought that the change to shoot twice at the open end happened when Schafer came for the '95-'96 season. I came back to Ithaca for the 1990-91 season and before I was able to become a booster and pay a premium to sit in Section C, I had season tickets in B. I don't think I would have been able to get seats in B if B was the premier student section that it is now (and that D had been until the switch.)

You are incorrect about the first part. The very first game I went to in spring of 1988, people were still fuming about the switch. Remember, we had a few historically bad seasons under McCutcheon, so while most games did sell out, it wasn't as monstrous a task to get tickets as it had been (and would be again).

[The Rancor]

I know we had tickets going back to at least 85-86, and while I can't remember much, I do remember at some point as a whippersnapper asking my dad why we didn't get tickets closer to where Cornell shot against (where all the rowdy action was) and his response being "This way you get to see them play defense twice" We were in H. My dad was right, but, defense ain't sexy when you're a kid who doesn't know much about hockey yet.