Cornell @ Clarkson 12-5-25

Started by fastforward, November 30, 2025, 05:41:21 PM

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Dafatone

Again, hard to follow that stream on my phone, but it looked like we got suckered into a chippiness party and committed some bad penalties behind the play in the third and otherwise lost focus.

Hopefully this a good lesson and whatnot.

Snowball

Glad I am NOT a fly on the wall in the Cornell locker room right now.

On to tomorrow.

fastforward

The penalties didn't cost us on the scoreboard but they surely disrupt the flow and cohesion of the lines.
Too many stupid penalties
STAY OUTTA DA BOX

BearLover

Quote from: chimpfood on December 05, 2025, 09:38:52 PMIt's weird that I always feel less pissed about blowout losses than I do about close ones. We dominated faceoffs, won the special teams battle, and outshot them but I'm less mad about this one than I am about our other losses.
The game was tied for like the first 50 minutes.

stereax

Law '27, Section C denizen, liveblogging from Lynah!

BearLover

17 in the NPI now, I have to imagine tonight's result dropped our odds from ~35% of an at-large bid to ~20%.

imafrshmn

Shit happens, but that kind of shit would hardly ever happen under Schafer. Obviously we were pressing to
get back in the game and got punked.
B.S. Cornell '09 / M.S. Michigan '17

Snowball


BearLover

Per CHN box score, Cornell's xG was 3.1 and Clarkson's was 2.3. Which indicates that (as usual) we were unlucky. But (1) I've read that CHN's xG model is flawed because it looks only at shot location and not at shot type, (2) xG doesn't account for goalie difference, and tonight Cournoyer let in a soft goal, and (3) honestly, Clarkson seems like a pretty bad team so it feels really bad to lose to them. The total lack of discipline and inability to spread out the Clarkson defense were the most glaring things. It was a horrible los that nuked our chances even though the underlying metrics were fine.

Dafatone

Quote from: BearLover on December 05, 2025, 10:13:06 PMPer CHN box score, Cornell's xG was 3.1 and Clarkson's was 2.3. Which indicates that (as usual) we were unlucky. But (1) I've read that CHN's xG model is flawed because it looks only at shot location and not at shot type, (2) xG doesn't account for goalie difference, and tonight Cournoyer let in a soft goal, and (3) honestly, Clarkson seems like a pretty bad team so it feels really bad to lose to them. The total lack of discipline and inability to spread out the Clarkson defense were the most glaring things. It was a horrible los that nuked our chances even though the underlying metrics were fine.

It did not nuke our chances.

chimpfood

We're at 17 in the NPI, far from disastrous but we'll need a good run in our next 5 games that aren't gonna give us much NPI juice.

Dafatone

Quote from: chimpfood on December 05, 2025, 10:20:22 PMWe're at 17 in the NPI, far from disastrous but we'll need a good run in our next 5 games that aren't gonna give us much NPI juice.

For better or worse, I think NPI needs some time to come into focus. BU is 8-7-1 and suddenly up to 26. UMass is 8-8-0 and all the way down at 45. Strength of schedule and all that, but it's iffy to use 16 games as both rankings and SoS since it's a smaller sample.

Long story short, we gotta see where a lot of things shake out.

Snowball

Quote from: imafrshmn on December 05, 2025, 10:02:48 PMShit happens, but that kind of shit would hardly ever happen under Schafer. Obviously we were pressing to
get back in the game and got punked.

It did happen some. This game from January of 2020:

#1 Men's Hockey Dealt 5-0 Loss By #18 Quinnipiac

"It's a disappointing night all around"

HAMDEN, Conn. — Quinnipiac scored three goals in a span of 2 minutes, 36 seconds in the first period Friday, and the Cornell men's hockey team never recovered in a 5-0 loss at People's United Center.


A hockey parent told me that immediately  after the loss Schaf had the team lift weights.

BearLover

Quote from: Dafatone on December 05, 2025, 10:18:26 PM
Quote from: BearLover on December 05, 2025, 10:13:06 PMPer CHN box score, Cornell's xG was 3.1 and Clarkson's was 2.3. Which indicates that (as usual) we were unlucky. But (1) I've read that CHN's xG model is flawed because it looks only at shot location and not at shot type, (2) xG doesn't account for goalie difference, and tonight Cournoyer let in a soft goal, and (3) honestly, Clarkson seems like a pretty bad team so it feels really bad to lose to them. The total lack of discipline and inability to spread out the Clarkson defense were the most glaring things. It was a horrible los that nuked our chances even though the underlying metrics were fine.

It did not nuke our chances.
As I said earlier in this thread, I would guess it decreased our chances of a at-large bid from ~35% to ~20%. These numbers are arbitrary, obviously. But there are extremely thin margins when you're on the bubble. We've been in or out of the NCAA by one game the last several years (looking also at the last two years, where we won the ECAC but if we needed an at-large bid we would have missed by one game). Moreover, this is a game we were supposed to win. It's not the same as losing to Quinnipiac. So when you factor in the fact we lost, which is bad, against a team the rankings would expect us to beat, which is bad, the end result is very bad.

ugarte

I bailed after the first for family reasons and when I saw it was still 1-1 late in the third I decided that while there is a lot of individual talent on the team they really need to learn how to play hockey. I'm glad they're mostly young because it's really frustrating to see so little cohesion in the offensive zone. The PPG was really, really nice but I didn't see anything else like it all period.