Opponent and other news and results 2025-2026

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stereax

Quote from: stereax on February 09, 2026, 09:50:08 PM
Quote from: BearLover on February 09, 2026, 09:49:09 PMBU looked like trash against us at MSG this season and it's not surprising the dumpster is still on fire. Down 4-1 to BC in the beanpot tonight. Unfortunately Cornell would have benefitted from BU winning and especially from BC losing.
I ran the numbers in the NPI thread and it's so marginal it barely matters who wins this one.

But also, lol BU.

Quote from: stereax on February 09, 2026, 09:47:26 PMBU on track to lose this. That would drop us to 56.14. If BU manages to come back and win this, we go up to 56.19. It's all so marginal.
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Trotsky

#541
Quote from: BearLover on February 09, 2026, 09:04:22 PM
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on February 09, 2026, 06:58:07 PM
Quote from: Trotsky on February 09, 2026, 01:43:39 PMHopefully Harvard's inevitable consy win today will raise our 7-8-9 NPI troika.

I'm getting the sense that not much in terms of individual games will have a significant impact on NPI much anymore.  Teams may swap one or two positions, but we're in the phase where all opponents records approach 0.500.  So as long as there's not a complete collapse, I think the top 10 or 12 teams are set.

IMHO.
I'm not sure what you consider a "complete collapse," but pretty sure each one of Cornell/Dartmourh/Quinnipiac would miss the NCAA if it went, say, 4-4-1 the rest of the way.
He said individual game.

Could somebody with more of the brainz than I (read: anyone reading this) please run NPI just changing our SLU win to a regulation loss and see what happens?

Edit: never mind it's very easy on CHN.

Keeping everything the same as now but changing our win over SLU to a regulation loss drops us to 11.


RichH

Quote from: Trotsky on February 09, 2026, 10:16:33 PM
Quote from: BearLover on February 09, 2026, 09:04:22 PM
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on February 09, 2026, 06:58:07 PM
Quote from: Trotsky on February 09, 2026, 01:43:39 PMHopefully Harvard's inevitable consy win today will raise our 7-8-9 NPI troika.

I'm getting the sense that not much in terms of individual games will have a significant impact on NPI much anymore.  Teams may swap one or two positions, but we're in the phase where all opponents records approach 0.500.  So as long as there's not a complete collapse, I think the top 10 or 12 teams are set.

IMHO.
I'm not sure what you consider a "complete collapse," but pretty sure each one of Cornell/Dartmourh/Quinnipiac would miss the NCAA if it went, say, 4-4-1 the rest of the way.
He said individual game.

I do think though that if we lost to SLU (again) we'd get hurt.

Could somebody with more of the brainz than I please run NPI just changing our SLU loss to a regulation win and see what happens?

We beat SLU 7-2.

Trotsky

#543
Quote from: RichH on February 09, 2026, 10:20:20 PMWe beat SLU 7-2.

Error fixed above.

Bad brain irreparable.

BearLover

Quote from: stereax on February 09, 2026, 09:50:08 PM
Quote from: BearLover on February 09, 2026, 09:49:09 PMBU looked like trash against us at MSG this season and it's not surprising the dumpster is still on fire. Down 4-1 to BC in the beanpot tonight. Unfortunately Cornell would have benefitted from BU winning and especially from BC losing.
I ran the numbers in the NPI thread and it's so marginal it barely matters who wins this one.

But also, lol BU.
The outcome doesn't affect Cornell much directly but it does affect BC directly and that's the important thing here. BC is on the bubble and if Cornell sputters they'll be competing with BC for the final spots. So we want BC to lose.

BearLover

Quote from: Trotsky on February 09, 2026, 10:16:33 PM
Quote from: BearLover on February 09, 2026, 09:04:22 PM
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82 on February 09, 2026, 06:58:07 PM
Quote from: Trotsky on February 09, 2026, 01:43:39 PMHopefully Harvard's inevitable consy win today will raise our 7-8-9 NPI troika.

I'm getting the sense that not much in terms of individual games will have a significant impact on NPI much anymore.  Teams may swap one or two positions, but we're in the phase where all opponents records approach 0.500.  So as long as there's not a complete collapse, I think the top 10 or 12 teams are set.

IMHO.
I'm not sure what you consider a "complete collapse," but pretty sure each one of Cornell/Dartmourh/Quinnipiac would miss the NCAA if it went, say, 4-4-1 the rest of the way.
He said individual game.
He was talking about the top 10-12 teams being set barring a "complete collapse." If 4-4-1 qualifies as a complete collapse then sure. 5-4 and thereabouts would be very sketchy too.

stereax

Quote from: BearLover on February 09, 2026, 10:40:11 PM
Quote from: stereax on February 09, 2026, 09:50:08 PM
Quote from: BearLover on February 09, 2026, 09:49:09 PMBU looked like trash against us at MSG this season and it's not surprising the dumpster is still on fire. Down 4-1 to BC in the beanpot tonight. Unfortunately Cornell would have benefitted from BU winning and especially from BC losing.
I ran the numbers in the NPI thread and it's so marginal it barely matters who wins this one.

But also, lol BU.
The outcome doesn't affect Cornell much directly but it does affect BC directly and that's the important thing here. BC is on the bubble and if Cornell sputters they'll be competing with BC for the final spots. So we want BC to lose.
Ah, that's fair, yeah. Probably easier to just take care of business ourselves though.
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BearLover

https://x.com/mikerodak/status/2021599214493405336?s=20

Relevant to discussions about revenue sharing. It has become a popular talking point that schools without major football/basketball will be able to commit a higher portion of revenue to hockey. That never really made any sense, because profits are negative outside of football and basketball.


Dafatone

Quote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:28:30 PMhttps://x.com/mikerodak/status/2021599214493405336?s=20

Relevant to discussions about revenue sharing. It has become a popular talking point that schools without major football/basketball will be able to commit a higher portion of revenue to hockey. That never really made any sense, because profits are negative outside of football and basketball.



Does "profits are negative outside of football and basketball" apply to schools where hockey is the biggest sport?

NoDak in particular, but also Denver, Colorado College, pretty much all the Minnesota schools except probably U of M, and some of the Hockey East schools maybe.

BearLover

Quote from: Dafatone on February 11, 2026, 03:36:19 PM
Quote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:28:30 PMhttps://x.com/mikerodak/status/2021599214493405336?s=20

Relevant to discussions about revenue sharing. It has become a popular talking point that schools without major football/basketball will be able to commit a higher portion of revenue to hockey. That never really made any sense, because profits are negative outside of football and basketball.



Does "profits are negative outside of football and basketball" apply to schools where hockey is the biggest sport?

NoDak in particular, but also Denver, Colorado College, pretty much all the Minnesota schools except probably U of M, and some of the Hockey East schools maybe.
NoDak I'd guess is the only school in the country (1) without big-time football/basketball and (2) with a hockey program materially in the black. Highly doubt CC or the non-flagship Minnesota schools profit. Denver maybe breaks even.

adamw

Quote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:39:17 PM
Quote from: Dafatone on February 11, 2026, 03:36:19 PM
Quote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:28:30 PMhttps://x.com/mikerodak/status/2021599214493405336?s=20

Relevant to discussions about revenue sharing. It has become a popular talking point that schools without major football/basketball will be able to commit a higher portion of revenue to hockey. That never really made any sense, because profits are negative outside of football and basketball.



Does "profits are negative outside of football and basketball" apply to schools where hockey is the biggest sport?

NoDak in particular, but also Denver, Colorado College, pretty much all the Minnesota schools except probably U of M, and some of the Hockey East schools maybe.
NoDak I'd guess is the only school in the country (1) without big-time football/basketball and (2) with a hockey program materially in the black. Highly doubt CC or the non-flagship Minnesota schools profit. Denver maybe breaks even.

It's true that without football, certain schools won't have as much revenue, so at the end of the day, football or no football, a school like Providence or Denver will have the same "hockey budget" as, say, Michigan. However, without the runaway costs of football, and need to feed that beast, it may make giving hockey teams a certain budget more palatable. I suspect Denver's "hockey budget" will be about $1 million in rev share at the end of the day. I may know more soon on that.
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BearLover

Quote from: adamw on February 11, 2026, 07:51:53 PM
Quote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:39:17 PM
Quote from: Dafatone on February 11, 2026, 03:36:19 PM
Quote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:28:30 PMhttps://x.com/mikerodak/status/2021599214493405336?s=20

Relevant to discussions about revenue sharing. It has become a popular talking point that schools without major football/basketball will be able to commit a higher portion of revenue to hockey. That never really made any sense, because profits are negative outside of football and basketball.



Does "profits are negative outside of football and basketball" apply to schools where hockey is the biggest sport?

NoDak in particular, but also Denver, Colorado College, pretty much all the Minnesota schools except probably U of M, and some of the Hockey East schools maybe.
NoDak I'd guess is the only school in the country (1) without big-time football/basketball and (2) with a hockey program materially in the black. Highly doubt CC or the non-flagship Minnesota schools profit. Denver maybe breaks even.

It's true that without football, certain schools won't have as much revenue, so at the end of the day, football or no football, a school like Providence or Denver will have the same "hockey budget" as, say, Michigan. However, without the runaway costs of football, and need to feed that beast, it may make giving hockey teams a certain budget more palatable. I suspect Denver's "hockey budget" will be about $1 million in rev share at the end of the day. I may know more soon on that.
That would be a massive number for an athletic department that loses money on ~every sport and has to try to compete in basketball.

pjd8

Quote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 10:38:07 PM
Quote from: adamw on February 11, 2026, 07:51:53 PM
Quote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:39:17 PM
Quote from: Dafatone on February 11, 2026, 03:36:19 PM
Quote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 03:28:30 PMhttps://x.com/mikerodak/status/2021599214493405336?s=20

Relevant to discussions about revenue sharing. It has become a popular talking point that schools without major football/basketball will be able to commit a higher portion of revenue to hockey. That never really made any sense, because profits are negative outside of football and basketball.



Does "profits are negative outside of football and basketball" apply to schools where hockey is the biggest sport?

NoDak in particular, but also Denver, Colorado College, pretty much all the Minnesota schools except probably U of M, and some of the Hockey East schools maybe.
NoDak I'd guess is the only school in the country (1) without big-time football/basketball and (2) with a hockey program materially in the black. Highly doubt CC or the non-flagship Minnesota schools profit. Denver maybe breaks even.

It's true that without football, certain schools won't have as much revenue, so at the end of the day, football or no football, a school like Providence or Denver will have the same "hockey budget" as, say, Michigan. However, without the runaway costs of football, and need to feed that beast, it may make giving hockey teams a certain budget more palatable. I suspect Denver's "hockey budget" will be about $1 million in rev share at the end of the day. I may know more soon on that.
That would be a massive number for an athletic department that loses money on ~every sport and has to try to compete in basketball.

I searched for "how much does denver university spend on hockey", and I discovered this:

https://nil-ncaa.com/

I have no idea how good a source this is, but if you scroll about 3/4 of the way down, it does compare revenue sharing by sport. Above that, shows the average net operating loss for FBS schools.

There's also an interesting quote from Troy Aikman. Basically, he wrote a check for a specific kid at UCLA, and the kid left after a year. Aikman said he's done with NIL.


Trotsky

From that link:

Athletic Department Annual Expenses

              FY 2024       FY 2023        FY 2022        2-year % Increase                
Yale          77,124,108    72,430,360     66,265,805     16%
Penn          56,137,691    46,277,380     44,747,142     25%
Princeton     47,797,015    44,300,839     37,118,165     29%
Harvard       43,636,552    39,568,660     32,850,494     33%
Brown         42,236,049    36,265,052     29,892,746     41%
Cornell       40,756,322    36,227,301     36,812,888     11%
Dartmouth     40,640,949    38,642,041     35,022,406     16%
Columbia      40,185,323    38,335,736     32,521,946     24%

stereax

Quote from: Trotsky on February 12, 2026, 01:25:41 AMFrom that link:

Athletic Department Annual Expenses

              FY 2024       FY 2023        FY 2022        2-year % Increase                 
Yale          77,124,108    72,430,360     66,265,805     16%
Penn          56,137,691    46,277,380     44,747,142     25%
Princeton     47,797,015    44,300,839     37,118,165     29%
Harvard       43,636,552    39,568,660     32,850,494     33%
Brown         42,236,049    36,265,052     29,892,746     41%
Cornell       40,756,322    36,227,301     36,812,888     11%
Dartmouth     40,640,949    38,642,041     35,022,406     16%
Columbia      40,185,323    38,335,736     32,521,946     24%

The hell is Yale spending so much on?
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