Recruits 2026 and Beyond

[chimpfood]

Looks like we have a new commit for next year: Charles Arend of Dubuque in the USHL. He turns 20 in a couple of weeks, is a 6 feet tall, 190 pound forward. He was under half a point per game the last couple of years but has 20 points in 27 games this year.

[BearLover]

Weren't people on here saying that Bancroft got a huge signing bonus/contract?

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/player/_/id/99798/dalton-bancroft

Just to be clear, that $950,000 is his salary even if he spends the entire year in the AHL?

[stereax]

Weren't people on here saying that Bancroft got a huge signing bonus/contract?

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/player/_/id/99798/dalton-bancroft

Just to be clear, that $950,000 is his salary even if he spends the entire year in the AHL?

Nope. Checked on PuckPedia. Here.

It's an ELC, so they're kind of limited in how much they can guarantee a player. Plus, Bancroft is making 98000 in signing bonus. 85000 is his minors salary. If he plays 5 games with the NHL Bruins, he gets a performance bonus of 25000. (Plus the pro-rated NHL salary for that point.)

[BearLover]

Weren't people on here saying that Bancroft got a huge signing bonus/contract?

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/player/_/id/99798/dalton-bancroft

Just to be clear, that $950,000 is his salary even if he spends the entire year in the AHL?

Nope. Checked on PuckPedia. Here.

It's an ELC, so they're kind of limited in how much they can guarantee a player. Plus, Bancroft is making 98000 in signing bonus. 85000 is his minors salary. If he plays 5 games with the NHL Bruins, he gets a performance bonus of 25000. (Plus the pro-rated NHL salary for that point.)

Thanks. So he gets 85K plus the 97.5K signing bonus if he spends the entire year in the AHL (likely)? Or is the signing bonus prorated too? It's unfortunate for him that he left Cornell, he has 1 assist and 0 goals through 16 AHL games and I think that same contract would have been available after his senior year.

[Dafatone]

Weren't people on here saying that Bancroft got a huge signing bonus/contract?

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/player/_/id/99798/dalton-bancroft

Just to be clear, that $950,000 is his salary even if he spends the entire year in the AHL?

Nope. Checked on PuckPedia. Here.

It's an ELC, so they're kind of limited in how much they can guarantee a player. Plus, Bancroft is making 98000 in signing bonus. 85000 is his minors salary. If he plays 5 games with the NHL Bruins, he gets a performance bonus of 25000. (Plus the pro-rated NHL salary for that point.)

Thanks. So he gets 85K plus the 97.5K signing bonus if he spends the entire year in the AHL (likely)? Or is the signing bonus prorated too? It's unfortunate for him that he left Cornell, he has 1 assist and 0 goals through 16 AHL games and I think that same contract would have been available after his senior year.

Unless he had some sort of horrifying injury, which is a risk.

[Trotsky]

Unless he had some sort of horrifying injury, which is a risk.

Players ought to be automatically enrolled by the NHL in a catastrophic insurance pool the moment they are drafted to protect them against career-ending injury.  Spread the risk across the whole league.  If the Players Association doesn't agree to that change the Players Association.  If the owners don't agree to that strike til they do.

I think a lot more guys would stay 4 years.  At the moment Bear is quite correct: if you are offered $1M you will likely not roll the dice.  A 22-year old shouldn't have to make that choice and give up his (someday soon, her) college years.

[ursusminor]

Looks like we have a new commit for next year: Charles Arend of Dubuque in the USHL. He turns 20 in a couple of weeks, is a 6 feet tall, 190 pound forward. He was under half a point per game the last couple of years but has 20 points in 27 games this year.

former OSU recruit

[stereax]

Weren't people on here saying that Bancroft got a huge signing bonus/contract?

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/player/_/id/99798/dalton-bancroft

Just to be clear, that $950,000 is his salary even if he spends the entire year in the AHL?

Nope. Checked on PuckPedia. Here.

It's an ELC, so they're kind of limited in how much they can guarantee a player. Plus, Bancroft is making 98000 in signing bonus. 85000 is his minors salary. If he plays 5 games with the NHL Bruins, he gets a performance bonus of 25000. (Plus the pro-rated NHL salary for that point.)

Thanks. So he gets 85K plus the 97.5K signing bonus if he spends the entire year in the AHL (likely)? Or is the signing bonus prorated too? It's unfortunate for him that he left Cornell, he has 1 assist and 0 goals through 16 AHL games and I think that same contract would have been available after his senior year.

Signing bonus procs July 1st each contract year (generally) for the full amount no matter what. So he got the 97.5k then, full, in one payment. And then he gets 85k for spending the year in the minors. Every day he gets called up to the NHL (if he does), he gets a pro-rated NHL salary for that day.

On his next contract, he could very well have a guaranteed salary - a lot of older AHL tweeners get those, to convince them to stick it out. You'll often see contracts like 775K NHL/200K minors, 250K guarateed - in that case, even if the player spends the whole year in the minors, he still gets paid 250K, not 200K, due to the guarantee. But I don't think ELCs are eligible for that.

That being said, it's also possible there's a handshake deal where it's like "sign the ELC, then next year we'll pay you". Something similar happened with Kevin Labanc a few years back - took a massive discount deal for the Sharks one year, then got summarily overpaid the next four.

Tbh it's also possible there's a handshake in place that they'll give him his 5 games for the PB at the end of the season, provided they aren't in playoff distance...

[ugarte]

Looks like we have a new commit for next year: Charles Arend of Dubuque in the USHL. He turns 20 in a couple of weeks, is a 6 feet tall, 190 pound forward. He was under half a point per game the last couple of years but has 20 points in 27 games this year.

former OSU recruit

they should have brought him in

[scoop85]

Looks like we have a new commit for next year: Charles Arend of Dubuque in the USHL. He turns 20 in a couple of weeks, is a 6 feet tall, 190 pound forward. He was under half a point per game the last couple of years but has 20 points in 27 games this year.

former OSU recruit

Article regarding his commitment: https://www.telegraphherald.com/sports/local_sports/article_1a160662-6d0a-4dd6-b8cb-e719245c88b4.html

[BearLover]

Looks like we have a new commit for next year: Charles Arend of Dubuque in the USHL. He turns 20 in a couple of weeks, is a 6 feet tall, 190 pound forward. He was under half a point per game the last couple of years but has 20 points in 27 games this year.

former OSU recruit

they should have brought him in

I know you're trolling but there's a big difference between a school essentially telling a player they don't have space for him, as OSU did, and a school delaying a recruit's arrival by one year, as was presumably the case with Cornell and Pelletier. This kid seems like a fine player but it's a little strange to be picking up cast-offs from programs that I would consider equal to or lesser than ours.

[BearLover]

Also, I want to add—-it's commendable how diplomatic Arend was about OSU, but that's some serious bullshit on the part of the school that things are more uncertain under the new landscape, therefore we can't guarantee you a spot, blah blah blah. Umm, you can certainly guarantee anybody a spot, what you're actually saying is "we'll take you unless we can find someone better." Which is not how a commitment works. Essentially, OSU reneged on their offer. Which happens all the time, sure, but they should call it what it is.

I want to reiterate that Arend looks like a fine player and seems like a good kid too. So no issues with us picking him up. But there's some serious bullshit being put out by schools these days. 

[Trotsky]

I know you're trolling but there's a big difference between a school essentially telling a player they don't have space for him, as OSU did, and a school delaying a recruit's arrival by one year, as was presumably the case with Cornell and Pelletier.

That word is carrying so much weight my back hurts just reading it.

[ugarte]

... and a school delaying a recruit's arrival by one year, as was presumably the case with Cornell and Pelletier.

That word is carrying so much weight my back hurts just reading it.

i don't think it's unlikely though! i think it's fairly routine. on the other hand, what's kind of unbearable about belaboring this is that it assumes pelletier was offended he wasn't brought in OR that the analysis by hindsight is a reflection of anything other than bad luck.

the way i see it, Cornell didn't know Pelletier was about to break out like this. If anyone had known, we'd have brought him in and taken advantage of his leap. On the other hand, if he *hadn't* had a breakout year we wouldn't have lost him but he wouldn't be salivating over getting the guy having a breakout year.

they should have brought him in

I know you're trolling but there's a big difference between a school essentially telling a player they don't have space for him, as OSU did, ...

of course i'm trolling and of course i hadn't read the article yet!

[BearLover]

I know you're trolling but there's a big difference between a school essentially telling a player they don't have space for him, as OSU did, and a school delaying a recruit's arrival by one year, as was presumably the case with Cornell and Pelletier.

That word is carrying so much weight my back hurts just reading it.

I could have not included the word since the probability of it being true is so high, I but decided to include it to throw a bone to the doubters.