Ben Robertson transfer

[BearLover]

As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

Sounds about right. He was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell and thought he would progress better at Michigan. He also cites cost. (Which is weird, because if tuition were too high as the article states then you'd think he would qualify for financial aid.) And I bet the coaching change provided the impetus to make the switch. Nothing in the article about NIL or more eyes being on him.

Hugely disappointing in any event for someone who will wish he had a Cornell degree five years from now.

I didn't see anything in that article suggesting that he was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell.

"Though he says he was starting to find his footing at the end of Cornell's season, he felt that he wasn't playing to his full potential, and it wasn't just from a numbers standpoint."

"'I just kind of lost focus of just going out there and doing all the little things right,' Robertson said. 'It was definitely a little frustrating, but not because the production wasn't there, just because I don't think I really wanted to play the way I played through most of the season.'"

Seems clear to me he wasn't happy with how things were going at Cornell? Sounds like he was incredibly frustrated last season.

[The Rancor]

As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

Sounds about right. He was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell and thought he would progress better at Michigan. He also cites cost. (Which is weird, because if tuition were too high as the article states then you'd think he would qualify for financial aid.) And I bet the coaching change provided the impetus to make the switch. Nothing in the article about NIL or more eyes being on him.

Hugely disappointing in any event for someone who will wish he had a Cornell degree five years from now.

Even if pro hockey doesn't work out, his Michigan degree will open plenty of doors.

Yeah, Mich is still a damn good school to get a degree from in today's job market. Not like he transferred to a degree mill like Q, lol.

Also, though - there's a difference between "qualifying for financial aid" and "insane tuition costs". Financial aid only comes in if the family makes less than some amount a year. You can easily make more than that, even significantly more, and still have it be a struggle to pay tuition. (Plus, doubtful Robertson's family is super poor - hockey requires a lot of resources to get into in the first place.) So yeah, I do empathize with that as well.

As someone who has both personally and as a family fallen in that donut hole of where I made too much for aid and not enough to pay out of pocket and not be on the street, I know exactly where his head is at, where some entitled pricks obviously don't. Hockey and school is expensive and there isn't some magical money fountain that turns on if you're too poor.

[marty]

As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

Sounds about right. He was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell and thought he would progress better at Michigan. He also cites cost. (Which is weird, because if tuition were too high as the article states then you'd think he would qualify for financial aid.) And I bet the coaching change provided the impetus to make the switch. Nothing in the article about NIL or more eyes being on him.

Hugely disappointing in any event for someone who will wish he had a Cornell degree five years from now.

Even if pro hockey doesn't work out, his Michigan degree will open plenty of doors.

Yeah, Mich is still a damn good school to get a degree from in today's job market. Not like he transferred to a degree mill like Q, lol.

Also, though - there's a difference between "qualifying for financial aid" and "insane tuition costs". Financial aid only comes in if the family makes less than some amount a year. You can easily make more than that, even significantly more, and still have it be a struggle to pay tuition. (Plus, doubtful Robertson's family is super poor - hockey requires a lot of resources to get into in the first place.) So yeah, I do empathize with that as well.

As someone who has both personally and as a family fallen in that donut hole of where I made too much for aid and not enough to pay out of pocket and not be on the street, I know exactly where his head is at, where some entitled pricks obviously doesn't. Hockey and school is expensive and there isn't some magical money fountain that turns on if you're too poor.

... or if you are a middle class family who poured all your disposable money into supporting your gifted son.

[BearLover]

As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

Sounds about right. He was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell and thought he would progress better at Michigan. He also cites cost. (Which is weird, because if tuition were too high as the article states then you'd think he would qualify for financial aid.) And I bet the coaching change provided the impetus to make the switch. Nothing in the article about NIL or more eyes being on him.

Hugely disappointing in any event for someone who will wish he had a Cornell degree five years from now.

Even if pro hockey doesn't work out, his Michigan degree will open plenty of doors.

Yeah, Mich is still a damn good school to get a degree from in today's job market. Not like he transferred to a degree mill like Q, lol.

Also, though - there's a difference between "qualifying for financial aid" and "insane tuition costs". Financial aid only comes in if the family makes less than some amount a year. You can easily make more than that, even significantly more, and still have it be a struggle to pay tuition. (Plus, doubtful Robertson's family is super poor - hockey requires a lot of resources to get into in the first place.) So yeah, I do empathize with that as well.

As someone who has both personally and as a family fallen in that donut hole of where I made too much for aid and not enough to pay out of pocket and not be on the street, I know exactly where his head is at, where some entitled pricks obviously don't. Hockey and school is expensive and there isn't some magical money fountain that turns on if you're too poor.

You don't need to call someone an entitled prick just because they have a different opinion

[scoop85]

As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

Sounds about right. He was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell and thought he would progress better at Michigan. He also cites cost. (Which is weird, because if tuition were too high as the article states then you'd think he would qualify for financial aid.) And I bet the coaching change provided the impetus to make the switch. Nothing in the article about NIL or more eyes being on him.

Hugely disappointing in any event for someone who will wish he had a Cornell degree five years from now.

Even if pro hockey doesn't work out, his Michigan degree will open plenty of doors.

I don't really agree...Michigan is a good school, of course, but career outcomes are massively different. Any Cornell hockey player with decent grades is a shoe-in to a white collar career. There are tons of recent Cornell hockey grads in ritzy jobs that I highly doubt are available to Michigan grads to anywhere near the same degree.

You have zero idea what you're talking about.

[BearLover]

As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

Sounds about right. He was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell and thought he would progress better at Michigan. He also cites cost. (Which is weird, because if tuition were too high as the article states then you'd think he would qualify for financial aid.) And I bet the coaching change provided the impetus to make the switch. Nothing in the article about NIL or more eyes being on him.

Hugely disappointing in any event for someone who will wish he had a Cornell degree five years from now.

Even if pro hockey doesn't work out, his Michigan degree will open plenty of doors.

I don't really agree...Michigan is a good school, of course, but career outcomes are massively different. Any Cornell hockey player with decent grades is a shoe-in to a white collar career. There are tons of recent Cornell hockey grads in ritzy jobs that I highly doubt are available to Michigan grads to anywhere near the same degree.

You have zero idea what you're talking about.

Great post dude. I suggest you look at where most of the Cornell hockey players from the past year 15 years who've retired from hockey are now working (check their LinkedIn if you'd like), then reflect on the fact that most have cushy white collar jobs. Maybe also ask someone at Morgan Stanley about the relative weight of a Cornell vs Michigan degree. I don't know where Michigan hockey alums (who are out of hockey) are now working, but I'd wager it's not in the same stratosphere. P.S. I literally don't care about this stuff, I hate white collar culture and hiring practices, I'm just stating something that's self-evident if you've been paying attention.

[BearLover]

Where Are They Now? Cornell Hockey 2017-18.

The following is every player from this team that graduated from Cornell and is  retired from hockey. This team earned a 1-seed in the NCAA tournament.

Brendan Smith—marketing in SF
Matt Nuttle-finance in NYC
Cam Donaldson-finance in NYC
Noah Bauld-investment banking at Goldman Sachs in NYC
Trevor Yates-finance in NYC
Beau Starrett-senior account executive at Trustpilot [idk what this is] in NYC
Connor Murphy-investment banking at TD in Toronto
Dwyer Tschantz-account manager at healthcare manufacturing company in Michigan
Brendan Locke-finance in NYC
Austin McGrath-medical student
Matt Galajda-investment analyst for HEI Hotels

Every other player on the team is either still playing or, in a couple of cases, coaching hockey, as far as I can tell. 

[RichH]

As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

Sounds about right. He was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell and thought he would progress better at Michigan. He also cites cost. (Which is weird, because if tuition were too high as the article states then you'd think he would qualify for financial aid.) And I bet the coaching change provided the impetus to make the switch. Nothing in the article about NIL or more eyes being on him.

Hugely disappointing in any event for someone who will wish he had a Cornell degree five years from now.

Even if pro hockey doesn't work out, his Michigan degree will open plenty of doors.

And he now has two very large alumni networks to draw from.

As far as "scholarship" vs "financial aid" goes, it's a convenient talking point for the locals back home and media to use one and rarely understand the other when addressing educational costs.

[Iceberg]

Well, we can see Robertson play against Sucks again later and that game should be on ESPN+

Where Are They Now? Cornell Hockey 2017-18.

The following is every player from this team that graduated from Cornell and is  retired from hockey. This team earned a 1-seed in the NCAA tournament.

Brendan Smith—marketing in SF
Matt Nuttle-finance in NYC
Cam Donaldson-finance in NYC
Noah Bauld-investment banking at Goldman Sachs in NYC
Trevor Yates-finance in NYC
Beau Starrett-senior account executive at Trustpilot [idk what this is] in NYC
Connor Murphy-investment banking at TD in Toronto
Dwyer Tschantz-account manager at healthcare manufacturing company in Michigan
Brendan Locke-finance in NYC
Austin McGrath-medical student
Matt Galajda-investment analyst for HEI Hotels

Every other player on the team is either still playing or, in a couple of cases, coaching hockey, as far as I can tell. 

I ran into Mitch Vanderlaan a few years ago. I think he's still working for a firm in the Philadelphia area, but not sure since it's been a while.

[scoop85]

As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

Sounds about right. He was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell and thought he would progress better at Michigan. He also cites cost. (Which is weird, because if tuition were too high as the article states then you'd think he would qualify for financial aid.) And I bet the coaching change provided the impetus to make the switch. Nothing in the article about NIL or more eyes being on him.

Hugely disappointing in any event for someone who will wish he had a Cornell degree five years from now.

Even if pro hockey doesn't work out, his Michigan degree will open plenty of doors.

I don't really agree...Michigan is a good school, of course, but career outcomes are massively different. Any Cornell hockey player with decent grades is a shoe-in to a white collar career. There are tons of recent Cornell hockey grads in ritzy jobs that I highly doubt are available to Michigan grads to anywhere near the same degree.

You have zero idea what you're talking about.

Great post dude. I suggest you look at where most of the Cornell hockey players from the past year 15 years who've retired from hockey are now working (check their LinkedIn if you'd like), then reflect on the fact that most have cushy white collar jobs. Maybe also ask someone at Morgan Stanley about the relative weight of a Cornell vs Michigan degree. I don't know where Michigan hockey alums (who are out of hockey) are now working, but I'd wager it's not in the same stratosphere. P.S. I literally don't care about this stuff, I hate white collar culture and hiring practices, I'm just stating something that's self-evident if you've been paying attention.

"Dude," we know Cornell has a terrific alumni network. But, you made a broad and unsupported statement regarding the value of his Michigan degree. Michigan has a massive alumni network and plenty of graduates in high powered Wall Street positions.

As is often the case, you failed to read the room.

[stereax]

Plus it does also sound like he's still on good terms with his friends (and former teammates) from Cornell. He'll figure it out. Promise lol.

[BearLover]

As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

Sounds about right. He was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell and thought he would progress better at Michigan. He also cites cost. (Which is weird, because if tuition were too high as the article states then you'd think he would qualify for financial aid.) And I bet the coaching change provided the impetus to make the switch. Nothing in the article about NIL or more eyes being on him.

Hugely disappointing in any event for someone who will wish he had a Cornell degree five years from now.

Even if pro hockey doesn't work out, his Michigan degree will open plenty of doors.

I don't really agree...Michigan is a good school, of course, but career outcomes are massively different. Any Cornell hockey player with decent grades is a shoe-in to a white collar career. There are tons of recent Cornell hockey grads in ritzy jobs that I highly doubt are available to Michigan grads to anywhere near the same degree.

You have zero idea what you're talking about.

Great post dude. I suggest you look at where most of the Cornell hockey players from the past year 15 years who've retired from hockey are now working (check their LinkedIn if you'd like), then reflect on the fact that most have cushy white collar jobs. Maybe also ask someone at Morgan Stanley about the relative weight of a Cornell vs Michigan degree. I don't know where Michigan hockey alums (who are out of hockey) are now working, but I'd wager it's not in the same stratosphere. P.S. I literally don't care about this stuff, I hate white collar culture and hiring practices, I'm just stating something that's self-evident if you've been paying attention.

"Dude," we know Cornell has a terrific alumni network. But, you made a broad and unsupported statement regarding the value of his Michigan degree. Michigan has a massive alumni network and plenty of graduates in high powered Wall Street positions.

As is often the case, you failed to read the room.

Michigan has a good alumni network, yes. Cornell (specifically Cornell hockey) has a better one. Adjusting for the fact Michigan is a much bigger school, you're a lot more likely to get hired coming out of Cornell, particularly Cornell hockey, where it seems such jobs are available to any player who wants them and has half-decent grades. The point here is that Robertson took a significant step down in career prospects by transferring out of Cornell.

[BearLover]

As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

Sounds about right. He was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell and thought he would progress better at Michigan. He also cites cost. (Which is weird, because if tuition were too high as the article states then you'd think he would qualify for financial aid.) And I bet the coaching change provided the impetus to make the switch. Nothing in the article about NIL or more eyes being on him.

Hugely disappointing in any event for someone who will wish he had a Cornell degree five years from now.

Even if pro hockey doesn't work out, his Michigan degree will open plenty of doors.

I don't really agree...Michigan is a good school, of course, but career outcomes are massively different. Any Cornell hockey player with decent grades is a shoe-in to a white collar career. There are tons of recent Cornell hockey grads in ritzy jobs that I highly doubt are available to Michigan grads to anywhere near the same degree.

You have zero idea what you're talking about.

Great post dude. I suggest you look at where most of the Cornell hockey players from the past year 15 years who've retired from hockey are now working (check their LinkedIn if you'd like), then reflect on the fact that most have cushy white collar jobs. Maybe also ask someone at Morgan Stanley about the relative weight of a Cornell vs Michigan degree. I don't know where Michigan hockey alums (who are out of hockey) are now working, but I'd wager it's not in the same stratosphere. P.S. I literally don't care about this stuff, I hate white collar culture and hiring practices, I'm just stating something that's self-evident if you've been paying attention.

As is often the case, you failed to read the room.

I'm going to call for an end to this argument but just fyi I wasn't being obtuse, I understood exactly what you meant and just disagreed. I haven't studied the career outcomes for Michigan hockey alumni but I have an extremely hard to believing they're on par with those of Cornell hockey alums.

[Dafatone]

As to why he left, I don't know, probably a combination of multiple factors including financial reasons, the coaching change, and style of play.

Sounds about right. He was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell and thought he would progress better at Michigan. He also cites cost. (Which is weird, because if tuition were too high as the article states then you'd think he would qualify for financial aid.) And I bet the coaching change provided the impetus to make the switch. Nothing in the article about NIL or more eyes being on him.

Hugely disappointing in any event for someone who will wish he had a Cornell degree five years from now.

I didn't see anything in that article suggesting that he was unhappy with how things were going at Cornell.

"Though he says he was starting to find his footing at the end of Cornell's season, he felt that he wasn't playing to his full potential, and it wasn't just from a numbers standpoint."

"'I just kind of lost focus of just going out there and doing all the little things right,' Robertson said. 'It was definitely a little frustrating, but not because the production wasn't there, just because I don't think I really wanted to play the way I played through most of the season.'"

Seems clear to me he wasn't happy with how things were going at Cornell? Sounds like he was incredibly frustrated last season.

Last year was bad all around (until it wasn't). There's a difference between "I had a down year and it sucked that I didn't play well" and "I was unhappy being there."

[Trotsky]

And he now has two very large alumni networks to draw from.

War's over.  Hvorka dropped the big one.




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