Cornell could finish...

[Give My Regards]

... dare I say it ... third.

Granted, it's an even less likely scenario than someone getting a B-minus at Harvard, but it is a possibility.

Current standings:

3.   Union         37     Plays Cornell and Colgate
     Colgate       37     Plays at RPI and at Union
5.   Dartmouth     33     Plays at Brown and at Yale
     Cornell       33     Plays at Union and at RPI

(note that Union currently has 11 league wins and Cornell has 9. This will matter later.)

If:

Cornell wins both games in regulation
Dartmouth does not get 6 points
Colgate loses to RPI in regulation
Union ties Colgate and wins the shootout

Then we get this:

3.   Cornell       39
     Union         39
5.   Colgate       38
     Dartmouth     38 or fewer

Tiebreakers:

Head-to-head -- Cornell and Union would have 3 points each
League wins -- Both would have 11
Record against top 4 -- since they're tied for third, this would really be record against the top 2, Quinnipiac and Clarkson.  Cornell has 4 points against those two, and Union has 0.  Ding ding, Cornell takes third.  (Colgate and Dartmouth have to finish behind Cornell, as the Big Red loses the head-to-head tiebreak against both)

On the other hand, the Big Red would finish seventh if they blow the weekend and Harvard picks up 6 points.

[andyw2100]

Is it only regulation wins that count in the tiebreaker? I'm guessing it must be because you say that Cornell, currently with 9, would catch Union, currently with 11, even though Union would be picking up the shootout win.

Also I'm wondering about the 9 regulation wins for Cornell. CHN shows 8, and the points totals support that.

Cornell 8-7-4-1, for 33.
Union 11-7-2-0 for 37.

What am I missing?

[BlueSky]

9 wins on USCHO.

[Trotsky]

It's almost time for my favorite post of any year.

[andyw2100]

That screenshot from USCHO shows a record of 9-7-4 for 22 points, so that's 2 points for a win and one point for a tie, which as we know is not how the ECAC is computing standings these days.

[Give My Regards]

Is it only regulation wins that count in the tiebreaker? I'm guessing it must be because you say that Cornell, currently with 9, would catch Union, currently with 11, even though Union would be picking up the shootout win.

Regulation and overtime wins.  Shootout results are not considered in the tiebreaker.

Also I'm wondering about the 9 regulation wins for Cornell. CHN shows 8, and the points totals support that.

Cornell 8-7-4-1, for 33.
Union 11-7-2-0 for 37.

What am I missing?

Which brings up a pet peeve -- I HATE the way CHN does standings.  They list Cornell as 8-7-4-1, which is regulation wins, regulation losses, OT wins, and OT losses.  The thing is, they count shootout wins as OT wins and shootout losses as OT losses, and they are NOT counted that way, either for tiebreakers or NCAA records/PWR.

The USCHO standings, though convoluted, give a clearer and more correct picture.  On the standings page, Cornell is listed at 9-7-4-3-1-0 -- all wins, all losses, ties, shootout wins (not included under "all wins" ). OT wins, and OT losses.

[andyw2100]

Is it only regulation wins that count in the tiebreaker? I'm guessing it must be because you say that Cornell, currently with 9, would catch Union, currently with 11, even though Union would be picking up the shootout win.

Regulation and overtime wins.  Shootout results are not considered in the tiebreaker.

Also I'm wondering about the 9 regulation wins for Cornell. CHN shows 8, and the points totals support that.

Cornell 8-7-4-1, for 33.
Union 11-7-2-0 for 37.

What am I missing?

Which brings up a pet peeve -- I HATE the way CHN does standings.  They list Cornell as 8-7-4-1, which is regulation wins, regulation losses, OT wins, and OT losses.  The thing is, they count shootout wins as OT wins and shootout losses as OT losses, and they are NOT counted that way, either for tiebreakers or NCAA records/PWR.

The USCHO standings, though convoluted, give a clearer and more correct picture.  On the standings page, Cornell is listed at 9-7-4-3-1-0 -- all wins, all losses, ties, shootout wins (not included under "all wins" ). OT wins, and OT losses.

Thanks for the thorough explanation!

[RichH]

On the standings page, Cornell is listed at 9-7-4-3-1-0 -- all wins, all losses, ties, shootout wins (not included under "all wins" ). OT wins, and OT losses.

It's too bad that ending games in ties and having a zero-sum point system were decided to be the greatest plague humanity has ever faced.

[adamw]

Is it only regulation wins that count in the tiebreaker? I'm guessing it must be because you say that Cornell, currently with 9, would catch Union, currently with 11, even though Union would be picking up the shootout win.

Regulation and overtime wins.  Shootout results are not considered in the tiebreaker.

Also I'm wondering about the 9 regulation wins for Cornell. CHN shows 8, and the points totals support that.

Cornell 8-7-4-1, for 33.
Union 11-7-2-0 for 37.

What am I missing?

Which brings up a pet peeve -- I HATE the way CHN does standings.  They list Cornell as 8-7-4-1, which is regulation wins, regulation losses, OT wins, and OT losses.  The thing is, they count shootout wins as OT wins and shootout losses as OT losses, and they are NOT counted that way, either for tiebreakers or NCAA records/PWR.

The USCHO standings, though convoluted, give a clearer and more correct picture.  On the standings page, Cornell is listed at 9-7-4-3-1-0 -- all wins, all losses, ties, shootout wins (not included under "all wins" ). OT wins, and OT losses.

It's listed that way because in LEAGUE standings, shootout and OT is the same. There is a whole other column on our standings page that lists national records - right next to the league records. And our Pairwise page and everywhere else shows the national record.

[The Rancor]

The USCHO standing columns of wins, losses, ties, OTW, OTL, SOW, SOL is exactly the argument for going back to Win, Loss, Tie period.

[Al DeFlorio]

The USCHO standing columns of wins, losses, ties, OTW, OTL, SOW, SOL is exactly the argument for going back to Win, Loss, Tie period.

Should be obvious to everyone.

[Give My Regards]

It's listed that way because in LEAGUE standings, shootout and OT is the same. There is a whole other column on our standings page that lists national records - right next to the league records. And our Pairwise page and everywhere else shows the national record.

True, and I should have specified that my issue is with how the league standings are presented, because shootout and OT are not always the same when it comes to tiebreaking procedures, as we saw above.  The ECAC and Atlantic Hockey both use "league wins in regulation AND overtime (not including shootouts)" as a tiebreaking criterion, and it's not obvious from CHN league standings which OTW were wins in the overtime period and which went to shootout.

I think the other conferences all use "league wins in regulation" as a tiebreaker, so they wouldn't have this issue.

[Give My Regards]

The USCHO standing columns of wins, losses, ties, OTW, OTL, SOW, SOL is exactly the argument for going back to Win, Loss, Tie period.

But ties are the devil's work! They must be cast out! ::rolleyes::

[VIEWfromK]

Is there a method to how the first round schedule is determined?  Do seeds 5+6 automatically get the Friday slots so that there's an extra day off or is it not defined?

[abmarks]

That screenshot from USCHO shows a record of 9-7-4 for 22 points, so that's 2 points for a win and one point for a tie, which as we know is not how the ECAC is computing standings these days.

or one could simply go to the league page https://ecachockey.com/standings.aspx?path=mhockey