Cornell vs Dartmouth 1/25/25

[Iceberg]

Catalano was the first guy in there and went after a few Dartmouth players, so he could definitely face a suspension. FWIW, at the end of the game in Princeton, he was involved in the scrum and the refs sent him right through the visitors' tunnel. He wasn't in the handshake line at all

[CU2007]

Interesting to consider what would have happened 30 years ago or so. Does the league just go with whatever the refs gave? I assume no video to watch to lengthen the suspensions.

[stereax]

Interesting to consider what would have happened 30 years ago or so. Does the league just go with whatever the refs gave? I assume no video to watch to lengthen the suspensions.

One of the Cornell-affiliated ladies said the league is going to review it before anything official is said. I'm assuming they have some video to watch. HIGHLY doubt their video feed would cut off the second the game ends. I know the coaches told the media guys not to turn off the camera until the refs came back out to announce the penalties, which they never did. Hold on, I got ESPN+, let me rewatch from last night.

Suda took a run at a Dart after the horn sounded... then Dart goes to celly in front of the student section... and then Cornell goes to beat em up. I think first man in is O'Leary simply due to height. Penney gets in it too. Catalano is def scrapping. There's DeSantis flipping a Dart over. Dart's starter and Keopple havin a chat, unaffected; ditto Katz, Shane, and the backup. Ondrej Psenicka is very tall. I think that's Schafer walking over. (I've been spelling it Schaefer this whole time. Fuck me.) Penney still shoving. O'Leary and Pennet helmetless. O'Leary still complaining. And then they're off, Penney and Casty share their post-game hug and scatter.

You can definitely tell who's scrapping because they WANT to (O'Leary, Penney, Catalano, DeSantis, Walsh, Stanley, Kempf, Kraft, Rego, Rayhill...) and those who are mostly there because everyone else is (Fegaras, Castagna, Robertson, Kovich, Psenicka, O'Brien...) as well as the mixed-bag guys (Suda, Mack, Bancroft...) And this is just off the ESPN feed. I'm SURE the NCAA has more cameras.

[Tom Lento]

Yeah that feels reasonable. When all is said and done Cornell today will almost certainly turn out to have a path to an at-large, although it likely means 7+ wins and sweeping all road contests.

That said, I'd be shocked if they somehow managed to pull off that kind of run, so this is all kind of academic.

[Tom Lento]

The entire team was garbage, I don't think it's fair to pin it on Shane, especially after a rock solid game vs Harvard.

Agreed, he made some outstanding saves or it could have been worse.  Last year, Shane was the ECAC Ken Dryden Goaltender of the Year, unanimous Ivy League Player of the Year with a 1.69 goals-against average and a .923 save percentage, named semifinalist for 2024 Mike Richter Award, and nominated for the Hobey Baker.  He couldn't have regressed this much, it had to be a team effort.

I'm genuinely puzzled, why has the team so underperformed this season?  Did we expect too much, losing only Seger?

I think expectations were way too high, yes. Last year's team had the potential to be competing for a national championship this year if everything went right, but that was the most optimistic scenario. Far more likely was a team around 10-12 in the nation challenging for a 2 seed on the upside and comfortably competing for a conference title and a 3 seed in the tournament.

Then came the injuries. My impression last season was last year's team wasn't like 2020 or 2003, with a top line that could compete with anybody AND a ton of depth. It was really a depth-based squad with four lines that could score and a solid but unspectacular top unit. That's not really national title material, although it puts the team in with a chance of riding a hot goaltender to glory.

The issue is it also means injuries to random middle-of-the-pack skaters cause problems, because now two different lines get messed up and the depth won't be there anymore.

So for this year's team to compete for a national title they needed someone to become Gabe Seger, which hasn't happened, and maybe an all-ECAC freshman forward, which didn't come, and at the very least a relatively injury-free season, which obviously hasn't been the case.

[Tom Lento]

The entire team was garbage, I don't think it's fair to pin it on Shane, especially after a rock solid game vs Harvard.

Agreed, he made some outstanding saves or it could have been worse.  Last year, Shane was the ECAC Ken Dryden Goaltender of the Year, unanimous Ivy League Player of the Year with a 1.69 goals-against average and a .923 save percentage, named semifinalist for 2024 Mike Richter Award, and nominated for the Hobey Baker.  He couldn't have regressed this much, it had to be a team effort.

I'm genuinely puzzled, why has the team so underperformed this season?  Did we expect too much, losing only Seger?

I think expectations were way too high, yes. Last year's team had the potential to be competing for a national championship this year if everything went right, but that was the most optimistic scenario. Far more likely was a team around 10-12 in the nation challenging for a 2 seed on the upside and comfortably competing for a conference title and a 3 seed in the tournament.

Then came the injuries. My impression last season was last year's team wasn't like 2020 or 2003, with a top line that could compete with anybody AND a ton of depth. It was really a depth-based squad with four lines that could score and a solid but unspectacular top unit. That's not really national title material, although it puts the team in with a chance of riding a hot goaltender to glory.

The issue is it also means injuries to random middle-of-the-pack skaters cause problems, because now two different lines get messed up and the depth won't be there anymore.

So for this year's team to compete for a national title they needed someone to become Gabe Seger, which hasn't happened, and maybe an all-ECAC freshman forward, which didn't come, and at the very least a relatively injury-free season, which obviously hasn't been the case.

That said, getting shellacked at home by a mediocre Dartmouth squad is well below even injury-adjusted expectations for this team, but also bad games happen. Sometimes they're a blessing in the end because the team takes on a "never again" attitude that can be wonderful for focusing the mind.

[TimV]

This is one of my favorite contrasts of sweaters.  Both classic.

There are some photos on the CU hockey website. Lack of sharp focus makes Dartmouth shoulder insignia look like the ace of spades.

[Trotsky]

Someone want to look up the last time we lost by 5+ goals at home?

Since 1980:

Code Select Expand


0 - 5  11/30/83  UNH
2 - 7  01/14/84  Brown
0 - 6  02/28/84  Colgate
3 -11  12/08/85  Harvard
4 -10  01/21/87  Colgate
0 - 5  02/06/87  Clarkson
0 - 5  12/03/89  Harvard
0 - 7  11/28/92  Providence
2 - 8  02/13/93  St. Lawrence  (my 30th birthday)
0 - 6  01/21/95  Colgate
0 - 7  03/07/15  Union (ECAC 1R)
1 - 6  01/25/25  Dartmouth


[Trotsky]

The entire team was garbage, I don't think it's fair to pin it on Shane, especially after a rock solid game vs Harvard.

Agreed, he made some outstanding saves or it could have been worse.  Last year, Shane was the ECAC Ken Dryden Goaltender of the Year, unanimous Ivy League Player of the Year with a 1.69 goals-against average and a .923 save percentage, named semifinalist for 2024 Mike Richter Award, and nominated for the Hobey Baker.  He couldn't have regressed this much, it had to be a team effort.

I'm genuinely puzzled, why has the team so underperformed this season?  Did we expect too much, losing only Seger?

I think expectations were way too high, yes. Last year's team had the potential to be competing for a national championship this year if everything went right, but that was the most optimistic scenario. Far more likely was a team around 10-12 in the nation challenging for a 2 seed on the upside and comfortably competing for a conference title and a 3 seed in the tournament.

Then came the injuries. My impression last season was last year's team wasn't like 2020 or 2003, with a top line that could compete with anybody AND a ton of depth. It was really a depth-based squad with four lines that could score and a solid but unspectacular top unit. That's not really national title material, although it puts the team in with a chance of riding a hot goaltender to glory.

The issue is it also means injuries to random middle-of-the-pack skaters cause problems, because now two different lines get messed up and the depth won't be there anymore.

So for this year's team to compete for a national title they needed someone to become Gabe Seger, which hasn't happened, and maybe an all-ECAC freshman forward, which didn't come, and at the very least a relatively injury-free season, which obviously hasn't been the case.

That said, getting shellacked at home by a mediocre Dartmouth squad is well below even injury-adjusted expectations for this team, but also bad games happen. Sometimes they're a blessing in the end because the team takes on a "never again" attitude that can be wonderful for focusing the mind.

I think this team has the talent to make a conference run.  We have won dark horse titles in 1980 (from 8th), 1986 (3rd), and 1996 (4th).  We have some great players and experience.  We can do it.

[pjd8]

Someone want to look up the last time we lost by 5+ goals at home?

Since 1980:

Code Select Expand


0 - 5  11/30/83  UNH
2 - 7  01/14/84  Brown
0 - 6  02/28/84  Colgate
3 -11  12/08/85  Harvard
4 -10  01/21/87  Colgate
0 - 5  02/06/87  Clarkson
0 - 5  12/03/89  Harvard
0 - 7  11/28/92  Providence
2 - 8  02/13/93  St. Lawrence  (my 30th birthday)
0 - 6  01/21/95  Colgate
0 - 7  03/07/15  Union (ECAC 1R)
1 - 6  01/25/25  Dartmouth


Colgate is not the team I would have expect to be the mode. Interesting that there's only one nonconference opponent.

[stereax]

Someone want to look up the last time we lost by 5+ goals at home?

Since 1980:

Code Select Expand


0 - 5  11/30/83  UNH
2 - 7  01/14/84  Brown
0 - 6  02/28/84  Colgate
3 -11  12/08/85  Harvard
4 -10  01/21/87  Colgate
0 - 5  02/06/87  Clarkson
0 - 5  12/03/89  Harvard
0 - 7  11/28/92  Providence
2 - 8  02/13/93  St. Lawrence  (my 30th birthday)
0 - 6  01/21/95  Colgate
0 - 7  03/07/15  Union (ECAC 1R)
1 - 6  01/25/25  Dartmouth


Yeesh. I've only been alive for two of these.

But yeah, agreeing with Tom (I think) that this might be the turning point that lights a fire under the asses of the Big Red. You can't let that happen.

[dbilmes]

Someone want to look up the last time we lost by 5+ goals at home?

Since 1980:

Code Select Expand


0 - 5  11/30/83  UNH
2 - 7  01/14/84  Brown
0 - 6  02/28/84  Colgate
3 -11  12/08/85  Harvard
4 -10  01/21/87  Colgate
0 - 5  02/06/87  Clarkson
0 - 5  12/03/89  Harvard
0 - 7  11/28/92  Providence
2 - 8  02/13/93  St. Lawrence  (my 30th birthday)
0 - 6  01/21/95  Colgate
0 - 7  03/07/15  Union (ECAC 1R)
1 - 6  01/25/25  Dartmouth


It looks like this is now in a pattern of happening once every 10 years! Let's hope it takes at least that many years for it to happen again.

[ice]

If you want to stick it to your opponent, put the biscuit in the basket before the game ends.

[BearLover]

Someone want to look up the last time we lost by 5+ goals at home?

Since 1980:

Code Select Expand


0 - 5  11/30/83  UNH
2 - 7  01/14/84  Brown
0 - 6  02/28/84  Colgate
3 -11  12/08/85  Harvard
4 -10  01/21/87  Colgate
0 - 5  02/06/87  Clarkson
0 - 5  12/03/89  Harvard
0 - 7  11/28/92  Providence
2 - 8  02/13/93  St. Lawrence  (my 30th birthday)
0 - 6  01/21/95  Colgate
0 - 7  03/07/15  Union (ECAC 1R)
1 - 6  01/25/25  Dartmouth


It looks like this is now in a pattern of happening once every 10 years! Let's hope it takes at least that many years for it to happen again.

It happened 10 years ago, and 20 years before that. Only happened twice under Schafer.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

This is one of my favorite contrasts of sweaters.  Both classic.

There are some photos on the CU hockey website. Lack of sharp focus makes Dartmouth shoulder insignia look like the ace of spades.

I was trying to figure out what that logo was.  I couldn't figure it out.  What is it?