Cornell vs Dartmouth 1/25/25

[Iceberg]

This is one of my favorite contrasts of sweaters.  Both classic.

There are some photos on the CU hockey website. Lack of sharp focus makes Dartmouth shoulder insignia look like the ace of spades.

I was trying to figure out what that logo was.  I couldn't figure it out.  What is it?

It's a tree. Dartmouth likes to style itself as being deep in nature in the middle of the woods...which it kind of is being in Hanover

[RichH]

This is one of my favorite contrasts of sweaters.  Both classic.

There are some photos on the CU hockey website. Lack of sharp focus makes Dartmouth shoulder insignia look like the ace of spades.

I was trying to figure out what that logo was.  I couldn't figure it out.  What is it?

It's a tree. Dartmouth likes to style itself as being deep in nature in the middle of the woods...which it kind of is being in Hanover

I like iconography, so I looked it up. It's a simple representation of the "Lone Pine" which was a meeting landmark on their campus through most of the 19th century. Simplified shield versions of their original seal had the lone pine. In 2018, they moved to the new "D-Pine" logo to replace their old shield.

https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2018-01-25/dartmouth-rolls-out-new-logo

https://logos-world.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Dartmouth-Logo-History.jpg

[stereax]

This is one of my favorite contrasts of sweaters.  Both classic.

There are some photos on the CU hockey website. Lack of sharp focus makes Dartmouth shoulder insignia look like the ace of spades.

I was trying to figure out what that logo was.  I couldn't figure it out.  What is it?

It's a tree. Dartmouth likes to style itself as being deep in nature in the middle of the woods...which it kind of is being in Hanover

I like iconography, so I looked it up. It's a simple representation of the "Lone Pine" which was a meeting landmark on their campus through most of the 19th century. Simplified shield versions of their original seal had the lone pine. In 2018, they moved to the new "D-Pine" logo to replace their old shield.

https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2018-01-25/dartmouth-rolls-out-new-logo

https://logos-world.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Dartmouth-Logo-History.jpg

Pretty cool tbh. Definitely an upgrade.

[Tom Lento]

Someone want to look up the last time we lost by 5+ goals at home?

Since 1980:

Code Select Expand


0 - 5  11/30/83  UNH
2 - 7  01/14/84  Brown
0 - 6  02/28/84  Colgate
3 -11  12/08/85  Harvard
4 -10  01/21/87  Colgate
0 - 5  02/06/87  Clarkson
0 - 5  12/03/89  Harvard
0 - 7  11/28/92  Providence
2 - 8  02/13/93  St. Lawrence  (my 30th birthday)
0 - 6  01/21/95  Colgate
0 - 7  03/07/15  Union (ECAC 1R)
1 - 6  01/25/25  Dartmouth


Yeesh. I've only been alive for two of these.

But yeah, agreeing with Tom (I think) that this might be the turning point that lights a fire under the asses of the Big Red. You can't let that happen.

I certainly hope that's what happens, but I'm not making any predictions. I feel like the range for this team is first round bye and conference title on the good end all the way down to bottom half finish and first round exit, and neither of those would surprise me. Makes things tough to predict.

I'll just try to enjoy the ride as best I can.

[Trotsky]

Pretty cool tbh. Definitely an upgrade.

Damn clever.  Both a tree and a signpost for "oh the places you'll go."

But it's still a glorified prep school for rich kids who couldn't get into Yale.

Or Bennington.

[Trotsky]

I believe that is the only time in my life I have seen mode referred to correctly in the wild outside of a textbook.

[VIEWfromK]

There's no doubt that was a rough game and the scene at the end has left a pretty bad taste.  They were dominated right out of the gate and Shane did everything he could to keep them in that game.  I even thought that the guy who scored the first goal bumped into Shane on his way through the crease to get wide open.  I was wondering if they had considered a challenge but based on their lack of success so far this year I guess it wasn't worth risking the timeout that early in the game.  Do any other teams block/tip more pucks into their own net than Cornell?  Penney got right out to make that play and it still finds a way to flutter in.  They finally discovered their game after digging the 3-0 hole.  The Fegaras goal and the chance he had a little later on make me think he has his thumb free of the splint and is back to being fully healthy.  They were flying during the latter part of the period and I thought once Psenicka drew that penalty they would be headed to the third only down one.  Instead they never gained possession of the puck during the entire two minutes and the opportunity they had worked so hard to get went to waste.  The third period is where I thought the refs let the game slip away.  I thought there were two opportunities to snuff out some of the trouble that later led to things boiling over. When McDonald rode Kempf from the circles and into the boards on the icing, I thought that guy should have been given two and a game misconduct.  The intent to hurt someone should be just that whether that person gets hurt or not.  The auto icing rule was put in to prevent that type of play and there's no longer supposed to be any room in the game for that kind of thing.  That guy got out of the box and continued to run around undeterred.  The second missed opportunity to lower the temperature was when Stanley took his penalty with three minutes to go.  He too should have been given a game misconduct and sent to the locker room.  Why are they allowing guys who are losing their composure to return to action, especially that late in the game?  Maybe it doesn't ultimately make a difference but the lack of control didn't help and they should shoulder a lot of blame for things getting out of hand.  I have seen plenty of players gesture to the student section after big plays.  What happened yesterday took it too far.  They lingered in that corner like they had advanced in a playoff series instead of lining up for handshakes.  What they were doing had nothing to do with celebrating with each other.  I'm not surprised that after getting creamed like that the guys took matters into their own hands.  I haven't rewatched the brawl and was hoping to put it out of my mind but then when I was playing knee hockey with my kiddo, he jumped me after he had run up the score so I guess I won't be able to move on as quickly as I'd like to.  It's too bad that in such an important game and coming off of that terrific win Friday things went so sour.  It's only one game but it could have an impact on the upcoming weekend with the suspensions.  Maybe we can look back on the incident as a positive turning point in the season.  All I know is that I hope the hockey gods have a rematch in store whether it be second round in Hanover in front of all twenty five of their fans or in Lake Placid so that Cornel can end their season once again.  Sign me up for that please.

[Trotsky]

Ow.

[abmarks]

To my memory, this is the first game this season where a good number of the poster's here have called out our effort level.

The coaches have been quoted after a good number of games questioning the effort level.

Apart from injuries, effort seems to be the next biggest problem. That's a leadership problem in the locker room, and not on the coaches.

[BearLover]

To my memory, this is the first game this season where a good number of the poster's here have called out our effort level.

The coaches have been quoted after a good number of games questioning the effort level.

Apart from injuries, effort seems to be the next biggest problem. That's a leadership problem in the locker room, and not on the coaches.

Embarrassing levels of cope here. First of all, show me where "a good number of posters called out our effort level." Second of all, after any loss any season there's a very high chance Schafer calls out the effort level. Happens multiple times every year. Third of all, why (according to you) is poor effort not on the coaches??? Huh? The coaches aren't in charge of getting the players to play hard?

Your premise is absurd because one of the few things that HAS been good this year has been the effort level. The players on this team compete really hard. In all the pages of me and others complaining about the team this season, effort has probably been cited the least of every plausible cause of our struggles, and for good reason.

Your claim that poor effort is not a coaching issue is the funniest part of your post. In like the fourth weekend of the season I apparently broke everybody's brains by writing something extremely benign along he lines of: "our terrible special teams and repeated mental lapses suggest to me that our struggles are partly the result of a coaching issue." I didn't call anybody a bad coach or call for anybody to be fired. I said the coaching as of week four seemed lacking and everybody on here went crazy and now they're making fools of themselves jumping through hoops trying to claim things like the coaches aren't responsible when the team doesn't try LOL.

[Trotsky]

Embarrassing levels of cope here.

That is not how we treat each other on this forum.  I know it is ubiquitous in the rest of the social media world.  Sometimes it may be hard to distinguish our joking around with each other with that calculated rudeness that is the witless man's attempt at an authenticity drag act.  But this is not reddit.  We do not do that here.  Clean it up.

[stereax]

There's no doubt that was a rough game and the scene at the end has left a pretty bad taste.  They were dominated right out of the gate and Shane did everything he could to keep them in that game.  I even thought that the guy who scored the first goal bumped into Shane on his way through the crease to get wide open.  I was wondering if they had considered a challenge but based on their lack of success so far this year I guess it wasn't worth risking the timeout that early in the game.  Do any other teams block/tip more pucks into their own net than Cornell?  Penney got right out to make that play and it still finds a way to flutter in.  They finally discovered their game after digging the 3-0 hole.  The Fegaras goal and the chance he had a little later on make me think he has his thumb free of the splint and is back to being fully healthy.  They were flying during the latter part of the period and I thought once Psenicka drew that penalty they would be headed to the third only down one.  Instead they never gained possession of the puck during the entire two minutes and the opportunity they had worked so hard to get went to waste.  The third period is where I thought the refs let the game slip away.  I thought there were two opportunities to snuff out some of the trouble that later led to things boiling over. When McDonald rode Kempf from the circles and into the boards on the icing, I thought that guy should have been given two and a game misconduct.  The intent to hurt someone should be just that whether that person gets hurt or not.  The auto icing rule was put in to prevent that type of play and there's no longer supposed to be any room in the game for that kind of thing.  That guy got out of the box and continued to run around undeterred.  The second missed opportunity to lower the temperature was when Stanley took his penalty with three minutes to go.  He too should have been given a game misconduct and sent to the locker room.  Why are they allowing guys who are losing their composure to return to action, especially that late in the game?  Maybe it doesn't ultimately make a difference but the lack of control didn't help and they should shoulder a lot of blame for things getting out of hand.  I have seen plenty of players gesture to the student section after big plays.  What happened yesterday took it too far.  They lingered in that corner like they had advanced in a playoff series instead of lining up for handshakes.  What they were doing had nothing to do with celebrating with each other.  I'm not surprised that after getting creamed like that the guys took matters into their own hands.  I haven't rewatched the brawl and was hoping to put it out of my mind but then when I was playing knee hockey with my kiddo, he jumped me after he had run up the score so I guess I won't be able to move on as quickly as I'd like to.  It's too bad that in such an important game and coming off of that terrific win Friday things went so sour.  It's only one game but it could have an impact on the upcoming weekend with the suspensions.  Maybe we can look back on the incident as a positive turning point in the season.  All I know is that I hope the hockey gods have a rematch in store whether it be second round in Hanover in front of all twenty five of their fans or in Lake Placid so that Cornel can end their season once again.  Sign me up for that please.

The Kempf non-penalty was egregiously bad. I was shocked they called NOTHING on the play. Clear whistle, the Dart goes in ANYWAY to slam a by-that-point-unaware Kempf into the boards and I'd be surprised if it didn't leave him banged up.

Dartmouth for sure was taunting the student section specifically. I think there's a difference between "fun and games" messing around (Croteau in the final minutes letting us do the "bend over" chant and playing along before leaning dramatically on his crossbar and striking a pose while Cornell failed to gain possession, again) and specific disrespect to the Lynah Faithful (cellying in front of the student section like they won the natty). I'm glad the Big Red didn't take that shit from them. I'm glad there's at least THAT fire in the team. (Though I do think the effort levels are higher than others think; I do see the team getting frustrated after bad possessions or missing chances. I don't think they're giving up. It feels a lot more like they just haven't been able to put it together consistently.)

100% agreed, again, the brawl could be a pivotal point in this season. As I said earlier, they've got fans, at Lynah and outside of it, who want them to succeed, badly. Hopefully the energy of the fanbase rubs off on them and they understand that that shit just can't happen again. You can't let yourself get embarrassed like that, especially not on home ice. You're gonna let fucking Dartmouth do that to you? Dartmouth??? No. Can't fucking happen again. Dear hockey gods, please let this arrogance not go unpunished.

[Iceberg]

I don't know about the state of the locker room and don't pay attention to the interviews like some other folks here do, but I do think the team lost a lot of intangible strengths with Seger's departure. I imagine suspensions will be announced today or tomorrow so we should soon have a better idea of what the roster will look like for this weekend.

[fastforward]

Interesting to consider what would have happened 30 years ago or so. Does the league just go with whatever the refs gave? I assume no video to watch to lengthen the suspensions.

One of the Cornell-affiliated ladies said the league is going to review it before anything official is said. I'm assuming they have some video to watch. HIGHLY doubt their video feed would cut off the second the game ends. I know the coaches told the media guys not to turn off the camera until the refs came back out to announce the penalties, which they never did. Hold on, I got ESPN+, let me rewatch from last night.

Suda took a run at a Dart after the horn sounded... then Dart goes to celly in front of the student section... and then Cornell goes to beat em up. I think first man in is O'Leary simply due to height. Penney gets in it too. Catalano is def scrapping. There's DeSantis flipping a Dart over. Dart's starter and Keopple havin a chat, unaffected; ditto Katz, Shane, and the backup. Ondrej Psenicka is very tall. I think that's Schafer walking over. (I've been spelling it Schaefer this whole time. Fuck me.) Penney still shoving. O'Leary and Pennet helmetless. O'Leary still complaining. And then they're off, Penney and Casty share their post-game hug and scatter.

You can definitely tell who's scrapping because they WANT to (O'Leary, Penney, Catalano, DeSantis, Walsh, Stanley, Kempf, Kraft, Rego, Rayhill...) and those who are mostly there because everyone else is (Fegaras, Castagna, Robertson, Kovich, Psenicka, O'Brien...) as well as the mixed-bag guys (Suda, Mack, Bancroft...) And this is just off the ESPN feed. I'm SURE the NCAA has more cameras.

I don't agree with your assessment of the guys WANTING to fight. I just rewatched everything twice (ESPN+ and the video you posted). It appears that some of those you listed were each holding back along with a Dartmouth player. I see things differently than you and would hate to give someone a bad rap unjustly-that's my take

[sah67]

The Kempf non-penalty was egregiously bad. I was shocked they called NOTHING on the play.]

They did give MacDonald 2 for hitting after the whistle, but they definitely could have gotten more heavy-handed and tacked on a few 10-minute misconducts (for both teams) with all the nonsense/instigation stuff that happened in the latter parts of the third. That would have at least gotten some of the "brawl" participants off the ice earlier.