Cornell vs Dartmouth 1/25/25

[ugarte]

That may have been the ugliest game I've ever seen us play.

The 10-0 loss to Q in the 2013 ECAC QF's, where we also racked up 100 PIMs in the process is probably the one for me, but tonight was pretty bad.

that Q team was much better than us. it was more of a surprise that the other two games were close.

Harvard beats us 11-3 at Lynah December 1985. Schaf shoots puck at Cleary.  That was the nadir for me.

I went to this one.

[Trotsky]

That never happened.

Let's just say, in the storied path of Cornell hockey, tonight will leave no imprint.

Just fucking get to fucking LP. This is not a difficult concept.

[BearLover]

Only dropped one spot in pwr.

Irrelevant. We are locked out of an at-large bid.

[Trotsky]

"Brawl Ensues" is a helluva headline.

I dunno, but if we ever form a band...

[BearLover]

Where do we even go from here? It's clear that the coaching staff sees Shane as our guy, he got both games this weekend even after a good keopple performance vs Princeton. After another letdown day from Shane will they be so not trusting in keopple that they still give Ian the clarkson game on Friday? How are we even gonna dress enough players for that game with suspensions coming? We are at genuine risk of not getting a bye in the ECAC tournament and we're looking like a worse team than we started as. God, at least basketball beat princeton.

It's weird you are singling out Shane when the entire team looked outmatched. Didn't even seem to me any of the goals were that soft.

[BearLover]

The team looked good last night against Harvard, but tonight was a complete fucking embarrassment.
Someone want to look up the last time we lost by 5+ goals at home? In 16 years of following Cornell hockey I don't ever remember seeing that. The team looks incredibly frustrated and lacking in talent. Badly outplayed by Dartmouth, a mediocre team this season and one of the worst programs in college hockey. Really never thought I'd see something like this. The absolute low point in at least ten years.

Excited for a bunch of losers to swoop in and start arguing with me that the coaches are perfect and the program is in great shape after we lost 6-1 to Dartmouth at home.

[BearLover]

By the way, I don't blame the players for charging Dartmouth at the end. You're nuts if you think a team with any self respect is going to lie down after a 6-1 loss while the other team taunts the crowd. I blame Dartmouth for taunting the fans and the Cornell coaching staff for not controlling the players.

It really doesn't matter though. This team isn't capable of skating with Dartmouth, one of the saddest programs in college hockey. They have not made the NCAAs since literal 1980. Depressing to watch.

[stereax]

By the way, I don't blame the players for charging Dartmouth at the end. You're nuts if you think a team with any self respect is going to lie down after a 6-1 loss while the other team taunts the crowd.

Might be the first time we agree.

[Dafatone]

Only dropped one spot in pwr.

Irrelevant. We are locked out of an at-large bid.

If we run the table until the conference final, we'd probably get an at-large bid.

That's not easy to do.

[Iceberg]

The replay is up now and I went back to look at the footage shown on the broadcast. The whole thing starts after Croteau is having some fun with the student section and then the captain, Chisholm (Gaudet holdover who happened to get ejected his first game at Lynah several years ago) waves the rest of the team over to celebrate, which obviously ignites Cornell's response. It was clear that Penney was going after guys but hard to see much of anything else from the broadcast except Cashman fervently trying to get his guys to the locker room and Schafer confronting the one referee.

[sah67]

A clip of the fracas filmed by someone in the front row of B that was posted on reddit seems to show DeSantis throwing multiple rabbit punches to the head of a Dartmouth player who had already been wrestled to the ice.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him end up with an additional suspension once the league takes a look.

[TimV]

By the way, I don't blame the players for charging Dartmouth at the end. You're nuts if you think a team with any self respect is going to lie down after a 6-1 loss while the other team taunts the crowd. I blame Dartmouth for taunting the fans and the Cornell coaching staff for not controlling the players.

It really doesn't matter though. This team isn't capable of skating with Dartmouth, one of the historically saddest programs in college hockey. They have not made the NCAAs since literal 1980. Depressing to watch.

FYP.  They're not very sad THIS year.

I understand the post-game mood. My take is the team was truly embarrassed and disappointed about letting down The Faithful after the euphoria of Friday night and needed to show SOMETHING in the way of love and pride back to Section A, even if in poor judgement and disastrous consequence. IMHO the Red would have better let Dartmouth enjoy themselves and skate off the ice, then go over to A for their own direct stick salute.

But hell, they're competitive, aggressive males. Understandable.

From the student section viewpoint, they take well-earned pride in their skills in taunting and getting in the heads of our opponents.  The fact that Dartmouth decided to skate the length of the ice to celebrate in front of them was an acknowledgement of just how successful Section A really is.  I would have loved to see the whole section in unison point at the Dartmouth players and laugh.

[sah67]

From the student section viewpoint, they take well-earned pride in their skills in taunting and getting in the heads of our opponents.  The fact that Dartmouth decided to skate the length of the ice to celebrate in front of them was an acknowledgement of just how successful Section A really is.  I would have loved to see the whole section in unison point at the Dartmouth players and laugh.

Maybe Cashman hired Nick Boucher as a special volunteer assistant coach! For the newbies: Boucher being the Dartmouth goalie many moons ago who vacated his net during play to taunt Section B (and flip off the band), only to allow a Cornell "empty net" goal while he was consumed with that.

It was also fun to discover that Boucher managed to rack up 26 PIMs in his one ECHL season, and another 20 PIMs (in 10GP!) in the UHL...all as a goalie. I do also caution everyone that clicking that link will display an old mugshot of Boucher, and...::yark::

[BearLover]

I didn't look at every season, but I would guess last night was the worst home loss since Cornell lost 7-0 to Union in the ECAC first round in 2015 to end Cornell's season. It was certainly the most embarrassing since then. That was maybe the overall rock bottom during the Schafer era, but in terms of these last ten years, last night was rock bottom.

Again, I have absolutely no issues with the players brawling. They did what any self-respecting hockey team would do. I don't know how the coaches lost control of the team but it was obviously a bad mistake.

At the end of the day, the thing I'm going to remember most from the game was how bad the team looked against Dartmouth. Cornell was slower and could not break it out against Dartmouth's aggressive forecheck. On offense Cornell never had clean zone entries and never established its own forecheck. The result was the puck being carried by Dartmouth back across center ice in a flash. Cornell's PP similarly had almost zero clean zone entries; they could not break Dartmouth's pressure in the neutral zone, and the resulting dump ins were quickly cleared. I reiterate that Cornell should not be getting badly outplayed at home by a mediocre team. It really does not bode well for this Cornell team being any good or being capable of turning this season around.  

I didn't like Schafer's postgame comments. First of all, he sounded resigned to being suspended. Second, he said the team was "gassed." Why is Cornell more gassed than Dartmouth, who lost a tough game at Colgate the night before? Every year we play Harvard and Dartmouth back to back and I have never seen such a sorry performance against Dartmouth. Cornell is at home this weekend getting to sleep in their own beds and the coach is making excuses that they're tired?

[arugula]

With regard to them being "gassed", makes no sense. Young men playing at home and playing two games a week. Possible that the injuries and the resulting lack of depth is catching up to them?  But again, 21 year olds playing two games a week. Unless there are many further injuries and the guys are playing through.  Otoh, what explains how well they played the night before?  What explains these problems being recurrent throughout the season?  Little effective forecheck, difficulty exiting and entering the zone, horrendous pp?  Can't all be  exhaustion.