Recruits -- Progress Report

[BearLover]

After this season 4 D, 5 F, and 1 G graduate. (That includes Jimmy Rahill, so functionally perhaps just 3 D will need to be replaced.) I suspect they will be replaced by the following matriculating freshmen:
G Erick Roest, as mentioned above, is having a tough year in the USHL (.884 sv%) but also as mentioned above, the other goalie on his team has even worse numbers, so unclear how much of it is his fault. In any case, goaltending is by far the biggest question mark going into next season.
For the forwards, Pirtle, DiGiulian, Long, Pelletier, Hiscock are all putting up solid numbers in their leagues. Should be a fairly deep forward class (replacing a deep forward class.)
For the D, 6th round draft pick Vellieux will play right away and Gorski, seemingly having a decent year in the USHL, will likely come too. Then we probably need at least one more D, but of the '05s neither McCrady nor Hamilton are putting up numbers and both were recently traded by the junior teams (perhaps an inauspicious sign). McCrady is a recent commit so clearly the coaching staff saw something there. It's also possible Cornell will pick up another D recruit before next season or just roll with 9 total next year. (In an ideal world we would get up to 10 D to not take on much injury risk.)

[BearLover]

The NHL Central Scouting Midterm Rankings dropped today. Similar to the preliminary rankings, the only Cornell recruit on the list is Cole Tuminaro. This time he is listed under "Limited Viewing," as he has evidently been injured the entire season (he is listed as having appeared in one game, months ago). It must be a bad injury for him to be out this long. Really rough for him that it happened in his draft year.

[chimpfood]

I would like to see us utilize the CHL more for recruiting. We're known for being an older, very Canadian team which in theory should help us get aging out CHL guys. Instead we've only committed one young kid from there. Looking at clarksons recruits, they have 3 studs set to come in next year from the CHL, Adrian misaljevic, who is over 1 ppg in the OHL, Jackson parsons who is over a .920 save percentage in the OHL, and oven van steensel who is having a "down" year but had 41 goals and 86 points in 65 games last year in the OHL. Clarkson does have the advantage of being closer to Ontario but we have the advantage of being the better hockey school and should be competitive for guys of a similar caliber. We are still losing more guys than we will bring in next year so there is room to add but I will be disappointed if we only bring in nobody from the CHL. It is especially important to win these recruiting battles now to set ourselves as a known school to go to from the CHL in the future.

[Trotsky]

I was a CHL fan for several years out in Portland and I have had experience with the players.  I am going to put this as tastefully and kindly as possible.

There are tree stumps in Newfie bogs with better grades.

If they had an idea, it would die of loneliness.

The porch light's on, but no one's home.

They've only got one oar in the water.

If brains were leather, they wouldn't have enough to saddle a Hawthorn spider mite.

They're so dumb, they could throw themselves on the ground and miss.

They aint got the sense Agudar gave a goose.

Their brains rattle around like a BB in a CN Rail boxcar.

They're so dumb they couldn't pour piss out of a La Canadienne with the instructions written on the heel.

When Agudar was handing out brains, they thought She said trains, and they passed cause they don't like to travel.

They don't know shit from shinola.

If their brains were dynamite, they couldn't blow their nose.

They'll be matriculating at Quinnipiac.

[ursusminor]

Kepler,

In the future, players will go the CHL route because it is better hockey, and it won't close the NCAA option. This will hurt the BCHL and to a lesser extent the USHL. It is already happening. For example, RPI recruit Jack Ziliotto recently left Trail (BCHL) and is now in Sudbury (OHL).

I don't think there is an Ivy rule (yet) that disqualifies CHL players. According to Heisenberg's list, Princeton has two OHL commits.

[marty]

Kepler,

In the future, players will go the CHL route because it is better hockey, and it won't close the NCAA option. This will hurt the BCHL and to a lesser extent the USHL. It is already happening. For example, RPI recruit Jack Ziliotto recently left Trail (BCHL) and is now in Sudbury (OHL).

I don't think there is an Ivy rule (yet) that disqualifies CHL players. According to Heisenberg's list, Princeton has two OHL commits.

I hope this is how it plays out - but even so, some of the CHL dolts will matriculate at QPuke. They aren't going to make it at RPI or Cornell.

[Trotsky]

Kepler,

In the future, players will go the CHL route because it is better hockey, and it won't close the NCAA option.

This is possible.  I think what's likely is kids who have tried to set themselves up for the NHL by playing CHL 16-19 are not good enough, and not good enough to burn their team's limited 20 slots, so they will then catch on in the NC$$ to get a degree.  Those will also be ones who are more motivated.  Their experience playing long seasons (100 GP including playoffs) against the best players of their age in the world will make them dominant NC$$ contributors and natural leaders.

Some of them might make the nut at Cornell.  It is worth exploring.

But the really high flying CHL guys wouldn't know what to do with a book if they had a wobbly table.

[scoop85]

I would like to see us utilize the CHL more for recruiting. We're known for being an older, very Canadian team which in theory should help us get aging out CHL guys. Instead we've only committed one young kid from there. Looking at clarksons recruits, they have 3 studs set to come in next year from the CHL, Adrian misaljevic, who is over 1 ppg in the OHL, Jackson parsons who is over a .920 save percentage in the OHL, and oven van steensel who is having a "down" year but had 41 goals and 86 points in 65 games last year in the OHL. Clarkson does have the advantage of being closer to Ontario but we have the advantage of being the better hockey school and should be competitive for guys of a similar caliber. We are still losing more guys than we will bring in next year so there is room to add but I will be disappointed if we only bring in nobody from the CHL. It is especially important to win these recruiting battles now to set ourselves as a known school to go to from the CHL in the future.

We have 2 recruits playing in the CHL- Marmalek and Dec.

[stereax]

Kepler,

In the future, players will go the CHL route because it is better hockey, and it won't close the NCAA option. This will hurt the BCHL and to a lesser extent the USHL. It is already happening. For example, RPI recruit Jack Ziliotto recently left Trail (BCHL) and is now in Sudbury (OHL).

I don't think there is an Ivy rule (yet) that disqualifies CHL players. According to Heisenberg's list, Princeton has two OHL commits.

I think the recent decision of the NCAA to allow the CHL players to play NCAA hockey is going to be pivotal here. The CHL is better than the USHL (except if you make USNTDP); the NCAA is better than the CHL. Would not be surprised if, once this begins to shake out, we see talented (i.e. NHL draft pick) players go to the CHL for their 16, 17 year old seasons and then jump to the NCAA for their 18, 19, 20 seasons to have better competition for their draft year and beyond. Also, CHL players "aging out" of the CHL will often be going to the NCAA for further development if they don't get drafted/can't make the jump to the AHL, though we would probably not be recruiting as much from that pool. It's already starting now - my QMJHL team (this is when you know I'm certifiably insane), the Voltigeurs, have had their overagers announce college commitments - two guys going to UNH, another Nebraska-Omaha. It's going to be a bumpy ride for the next few years as a "standard operating procedure" gets put into place, but if there are intelligent CHL players we can profit from, it can go a long way.

(Also, where do you find the list of commits? I need to keep tabs on our Little Red...)

[ursusminor]

stereax: see Chris Heisenberg's list
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1USsyO-hgQhC4JD5HGGUDkgm_1qUeEWbhB-EyceEwTSI/htmlview#

Since you are apparently not familiar with this, let me add that Chris's grandfather was Werner.

Also note that Cornell had a commitment yesterday.

[George64]

stereax: see Chris Heisenberg's list

Since you are apparently not familiar with this, let me add that Chris's grandfather was Werner.

Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! or are you? I'm not certain.
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[ursusminor]

stereax: see Chris Heisenberg's list

Since you are apparently not familiar with this, let me add that Chris's grandfather was Werner.

Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! or are you? I'm not certain.
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I am not unless you are making a joke about the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Chris's father is Jochen Heisenberg who is an Emeritus Prof at UNH. Chris is a lawyer and a grad of UNH and BC law school.  https://www.hinckley.org/Heisenberg.php

[BearLover]

It remains to be seen how the CHL will change recruiting for Cornell. As mentioned above, Clarkson, Quinnipiac, and a host of other schools have already begun loading up on CHL overagers. Cornell has a couple of players in the CHL, but they're younger players who this season moved to the CHL instead of going to the BCHL or USHL. We've yet to see if Cornell is competitive for the 20-y/os whose CHL eligibility has run out.

It would be really great to get a sense from the coaching staff what their recruiting approach is going to be. I don't mean euphemisms like "we like kids with good hockey sense," I mean how will we be allocating resources and how exactly do we plan to be competitive for the CHL kids? I ask because it seems like Cornell is continuing to recruit 18- and 19-year olds from the BCHL with numbers that don't jump off the page. But the standard is much higher now with the far larger pool of potential recruits. It's one thing for the Cornell coaches to suggest to a pre-existing recruit that he should play for a CHL team (instead of eg. BCHL/USHL), it's another to recruit kids who are already in the CHL, which Cornell hasn't done yet.

[George64]

stereax: see Chris Heisenberg's list

Since you are apparently not familiar with this, let me add that Chris's grandfather was Werner.

Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! or are you? I'm not certain.
.

I am not unless you are making a joke about the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Chris's father is Jochen Heisenberg who is an Emeritus Prof at UNH. Chris is a lawyer and a grad of UNH and BC law school.  https://www.hinckley.org/Heisenberg.php

Thanks, I was genuinely curious and wanted to know for sure.  There's more than enough uncertainty in the world today.
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[The Rancor]

CHL players will make their way to the ECAC... and more so to the Michigans and BUs. I see the players that WOULD have gone to the Michigans and BUs as more likely to arrive on East Hill, CHL 20 year olds who otherwise might have hung them up to filter to Quinnipiac or Long Island University, or some such. CHL, and the BCHL and USHL are still going to be good development leagues based on the amount of games they play alone. That is a very enticing schedule for a young hockey player.