Cornell-Brown varsity football 10/26/24

Started by rss77, October 24, 2024, 09:47:37 PM

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ugarte

You people are nuts. You can't eat clock on offense in a one-score game when your defense isn't doing anything. If Brown scores here, the clock you're wasting is your own! At least Al was making an argument about the wind, which I disagree with but is debatable.

mike1960


ugarte

Wow the penalty on the 2-point conversion really a big deal as the Cornell defense sort of holds and it's 21-20 with ~5 minutes left in the game. Need to eat clock but reallllly need to convert some first downs and make Brown use their time outs.

mike1960

Cornell can score here. The receivers have been open all second half. Jameson just needs to throw some accurate balls.

Scersk '97

Quote from: ugarteYou people are nuts. You can't eat clock on offense in a one-score game when your defense isn't doing anything. If Brown scores here, the clock you're wasting is your own! At least Al was making an argument about the wind, which I disagree with but is debatable.

Quote from: ugarteWow the penalty on the 2-point conversion really a big deal as the Cornell defense sort of holds and it's 21-20 with ~5 minutes left in the game. Need to eat clock but reallllly need to convert some first downs and make Brown use their time outs.

Of course, a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.

Al DeFlorio

Quote from: Scersk '97Unfathomable play calling up 4 in the early part of the 4th quarter. You run the ball and also direct your offense to slow down the snap count.

The clock is your friend. Why ignore your friend?

Doesn't matter if your run game is not great. You have to eat clock. Run delay quarterback runs or something.
Where have zi read this before?
Al DeFlorio '65

ugarte

Quote from: mike1960Cornell can score here. The receivers have been open all second half. Jameson just needs to throw some accurate balls.
Would be nice to run more routes with a margin for error but I agree (and have been writing) that he's been wild.

First down a run into the line by Pope for nothing. Option run... for 3. I guess we're running clock now but we need the first down on 3d and 6. Brown still has 3 time outs. And... another horrible overthrow and the clock stops and we have to punt with 3:59 left.

mike1960

Didn't like the play calling there. Two running plays were almost guaranteed to lead to 3rd and long. We are a passing team. Let's go to our strength.

mike1960

Our defense wins or loses the game for us right here.

ugarte

Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: ugarteYou people are nuts. You can't eat clock on offense in a one-score game when your defense isn't doing anything. If Brown scores here, the clock you're wasting is your own! At least Al was making an argument about the wind, which I disagree with but is debatable.

Quote from: ugarteWow the penalty on the 2-point conversion really a big deal as the Cornell defense sort of holds and it's 21-20 with ~5 minutes left in the game. Need to eat clock but reallllly need to convert some first downs and make Brown use their time outs.

Of course, a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
1) You don't think the game circumstances are different? 2) the decision to sort of run clock in the abstract pales in comparison to the need to actually get first downs, which i think i said pretty clearly. the ineffective running by Cornell burned about a minute of clock and Brown still has plenty of time as long as they can move the ball.

There's a difference between looking backwards and thinking that wasting more time would have been good (after all of the passes fall incomplete) or whether it is strategically wise to run ineffectively a couple of times when your defense still has to hold for the majority of the 4th quarter.

Al DeFlorio

Quote from: ugarteYou people are nuts. You can't eat clock on offense in a one-score game when your defense isn't doing anything. If Brown scores here, the clock you're wasting is your own! At least Al was making an argument about the wind, which I disagree with but is debatable.
Not late in the third period with a three and then two-score lead.
Al DeFlorio '65

ugarte

Quote from: Al DeFlorio
Quote from: ugarteYou people are nuts. You can't eat clock on offense in a one-score game when your defense isn't doing anything. If Brown scores here, the clock you're wasting is your own! At least Al was making an argument about the wind, which I disagree with but is debatable.
Not late in the third period with a three and then two-score lead.
The most time you could have wasted there was ~30 seconds with 15 minutes to play. You're the only person thinking that's a clock management decision.

ugarte

Huge 4th and 4 decision... Brown going to go for it instead of kicking for 47... converts but :35 seconds left and still a long attempt.

Al DeFlorio

Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: Al DeFlorio
Quote from: ugarteYou people are nuts. You can't eat clock on offense in a one-score game when your defense isn't doing anything. If Brown scores here, the clock you're wasting is your own! At least Al was making an argument about the wind, which I disagree with but is debatable.
Not late in the third period with a three and then two-score lead.
The most time you could have wasted there was ~30 seconds with 15 minutes to play. You're the only person thinking that's a clock management decision.
No, you're the only person in the world who'd rather punt and pass into a strong wind rather than with it at your back.  Context, man, don't they teach that in law school? I was posting that THEN, not now.
Al DeFlorio '65

mike1960

Quote from: ugarteHuge 4th and 4 decision... Brown going to go for it instead of kicking for 47... converts but :35 seconds left and still a long attempt.

Zero blitz and the Brown QB handled it. But the reason the Brown Bears are successful today is that they ran the ball well on us late in the game.