Cornell lacrosse 2025

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CU77

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Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.

https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men

BearLover

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Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.

https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn't happen for hockey, I guess because "bad wins" are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?

mike1960

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Quote from: CU77It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: https://www.cammannasports.com

Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.

https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn't happen for hockey, I guess because "bad wins" are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?

If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.

upprdeck

beat syracuse

host the ivy

1-2 loss team and get a home game

BearLover

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Quote from: CU77It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: https://www.cammannasports.com

Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.

https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn't happen for hockey, I guess because "bad wins" are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?

If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.
Well, yeah. I'm more curious what happens if we go like 3-3 down the stretch.

LGR14

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Quote from: CU77It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: https://www.cammannasports.com

Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.

https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn't happen for hockey, I guess because "bad wins" are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?

If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.
Well, yeah. I'm more curious what happens if we go like 3-3 down the stretch.

Definitely no home game and on the bubble for the tournament.

BearLover

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Quote from: CU77It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: https://www.cammannasports.com

Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.

https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn't happen for hockey, I guess because "bad wins" are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?

If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.
Well, yeah. I'm more curious what happens if we go like 3-3 down the stretch.

Definitely no home game and on the bubble for the tournament.
Are you sure? That doesn't seem right to me. That 3-3 includes games against Dartmouth (#14), Syracuse (#7), and Harvard (#5), as well as the Ivy League Tournament, so probably some combination of Princeton (#1), Harvard, and Dartmouth again.

CU2007

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Quote from: CU77It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: https://www.cammannasports.com

Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.

https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn't happen for hockey, I guess because "bad wins" are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?

If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.
Well, yeah. I'm more curious what happens if we go like 3-3 down the stretch.

Definitely no home game and on the bubble for the tournament.

That seems crazy. Ranked #1 and definitely pass the eye test. But I suppose computers don't lie?!

LGR14

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Quote from: CU77It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: https://www.cammannasports.com

Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.

https://pro.lacrossereference.com/rpi-d1-men
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn't happen for hockey, I guess because "bad wins" are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?

If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.
Well, yeah. I'm more curious what happens if we go like 3-3 down the stretch.

Definitely no home game and on the bubble for the tournament.
Are you sure? That doesn't seem right to me. That 3-3 includes games against Dartmouth (#14), Syracuse (#7), and Harvard (#5), as well as the Ivy League Tournament, so probably some combination of Princeton (#1), Harvard, and Dartmouth again.

Brown(#40 RPI), the teams you mention, and then two Ivy Tournament games.  There has long been a bias against Cornell when it comes to tournament selection.  If we're a 4-loss team (with three of those losses coming down the stretch) and hovering in the 9-12 RPI range, that's bubble territory depending on what happens in the other conferences.

LGR14

I'll amend everything I've said above based on this projection that has Cornell finishing #4 in RPI.  https://lacrossereference.com/mens-d1-bracketology/

Still wouldn't want to finish 3-3 though.

CU77

If Cornell finishes 3-3, they will not be #4 in RPI or anything close to it! In the simulation, 3-3 would be a low-probability outcome, so it's basically ignored in the "average" final RPI prediction of #4.

BearLover

Quote from: CU77If Cornell finishes 3-3, they will not be #4 in RPI or anything close to it! In the simulation, 3-3 would be a low-probability outcome, so it's basically ignored in the "average" final RPI prediction of #4.
Isn't 3-3 the most likely of all outcomes? Cornell, the current #9, plays #5, #7, #14, and #40, and then some combination of #1, #5, and #14. I would think mapping out all the permutations yields 3-3 as the most likely outcome?

ugarte

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Quote from: CU77If Cornell finishes 3-3, they will not be #4 in RPI or anything close to it! In the simulation, 3-3 would be a low-probability outcome, so it's basically ignored in the "average" final RPI prediction of #4.
Isn't 3-3 the most likely of all outcomes? Cornell, the current #9, plays #5, #7, #14, and #40, and then some combination of #1, #5, and #14. I would think mapping out all the permutations yields 3-3 as the most likely outcome?
putting maybe too much faith in RPI there, no?

BearLover

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Quote from: CU77If Cornell finishes 3-3, they will not be #4 in RPI or anything close to it! In the simulation, 3-3 would be a low-probability outcome, so it's basically ignored in the "average" final RPI prediction of #4.
Isn't 3-3 the most likely of all outcomes? Cornell, the current #9, plays #5, #7, #14, and #40, and then some combination of #1, #5, and #14. I would think mapping out all the permutations yields 3-3 as the most likely outcome?
putting maybe too much faith in RPI there, no?
But isn't the simulation CU77 is citing based on RPI?

ugarte

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Quote from: CU77If Cornell finishes 3-3, they will not be #4 in RPI or anything close to it! In the simulation, 3-3 would be a low-probability outcome, so it's basically ignored in the "average" final RPI prediction of #4.
Isn't 3-3 the most likely of all outcomes? Cornell, the current #9, plays #5, #7, #14, and #40, and then some combination of #1, #5, and #14. I would think mapping out all the permutations yields 3-3 as the most likely outcome?
putting maybe too much faith in RPI there, no?
But isn't the simulation CU77 is citing based on RPI?
i see what you're saying. maybe the simulation is dynamic so as Cornell's rpi improves with wins and other helpful results across the field, late losses become less likely?