Cornell lacrosse 2025

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Swampy

Quote from: CU77Article on the game: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/trust-everyone-long-lifts-cornell-to-complete-comeback-at-richmond/64722

Dom Starsia's commentary regarding Long is interesting. After Cornell scored its 7th goal, via passes from Long to Goldstein to Kirst, Starsia commented on Long coming around on the right side of the goal from X. Long was holding his stick in his left hand and a Richmond defender, apparently afraid Long would shoot, slid to double-team him. But instead of shooting, he passed to Goldstein, who quickly passed to Kirst. Starsia commented that the slide was ill-advised because Long was holding his stick in his left hand and therefore was not much of a danger to shoot, but the slide left Kirst open.

Then, after Long scored Cornell's 12th goal, Starsia said it was "a big-time play" in which Long used his off-hand to shoot. The play was virtually identical to the earlier one, except nobody slid to help defend Long and leave another man open. So, instead of passing to escape a double-team, Long just beat his man and scored.

In the first case, Starsia didn't want the slide, and Cornell scored by playing tic tac toe. In the second, there was no slide, and Cornell scored by Long beating his man.

This comment is with respect for Starsia. It's just that Long put Richmond's defenders between a rock and a hard place.

Swampy

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Quote from: chimpfoodGreat game, marylands goalie (from Corning) saves the game after letting in a bit of a weak goal.

Can't believe the refs didn't call a moving screen on Rudy's 10th goal. Wow. It was such an obvious call.

Moving screen or moving pick? I thought moving screens are legal.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought they were the same thing. The screener moved to his right three or four steps to prevent the defensive player from staying with the ball carrier coming over the top. It didn't make any difference in the outcome, but I thought, wow, how can you not call that.

You're right, and I stand corrected. During today's game the announcers referred to play away from the goal (what I called a "pick") as a "screen." Apparently the terms are interchangeable, although the geography of my life has exposed me to only one usage.

By "screen" I understand an offensive player being in position to make it difficult for the defending GK to see the ball and/or the offensive player handling it. Screening does not necessarily impede the motion of anyone on the defending team. Of course, every player has the right to be in their space, so a screening player may stand still and impede the motion of a defending player.

A moving pick, on the other hand, moves to impede a defending player.

I see what you're saying - screening the goalie. I think the term can be used in both contexts. I don't recall the rulebook using the term "pick," but we know that that means.

mike1960

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Quote from: CU77Article on the game: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/trust-everyone-long-lifts-cornell-to-complete-comeback-at-richmond/64722

Dom Starsia's commentary regarding Long is interesting. After Cornell scored its 7th goal, via passes from Long to Goldstein to Kirst, Starsia commented on Long coming around on the right side of the goal from X. Long was holding his stick in his left hand and a Richmond defender, apparently afraid Long would shoot, slid to double-team him. But instead of shooting, he passed to Goldstein, who quickly passed to Kirst. Starsia commented that the slide was ill-advised because Long was holding his stick in his left hand and therefore was not much of a danger to shoot, but the slide left Kirst open.

Then, after Long scored Cornell's 12th goal, Starsia said it was "a big-time play" in which Long used his off-hand to shoot. The play was virtually identical to the earlier one, except nobody slid to help defend Long and leave another man open. So, instead of passing to escape a double-team, Long just beat his man and scored.

In the first case, Starsia didn't want the slide, and Cornell scored by playing tic tac toe. In the second, there was no slide, and Cornell scored by Long beating his man.

This comment is with respect for Starsia. It's just that Long put Richmond's defenders between a rock and a hard place.

Coach Starsia knows that Mikey Long is a dominant right player, and apparently Starsia didn't think Long would shoot with the left. But Long has buried it coming around the left side before, but I don't recall that he does it that often.

ugarte

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Quote from: CU77Article on the game: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/trust-everyone-long-lifts-cornell-to-complete-comeback-at-richmond/64722

Dom Starsia's commentary regarding Long is interesting. After Cornell scored its 7th goal, via passes from Long to Goldstein to Kirst, Starsia commented on Long coming around on the right side of the goal from X. Long was holding his stick in his left hand and a Richmond defender, apparently afraid Long would shoot, slid to double-team him. But instead of shooting, he passed to Goldstein, who quickly passed to Kirst. Starsia commented that the slide was ill-advised because Long was holding his stick in his left hand and therefore was not much of a danger to shoot, but the slide left Kirst open.

Then, after Long scored Cornell's 12th goal, Starsia said it was "a big-time play" in which Long used his off-hand to shoot. The play was virtually identical to the earlier one, except nobody slid to help defend Long and leave another man open. So, instead of passing to escape a double-team, Long just beat his man and scored.

In the first case, Starsia didn't want the slide, and Cornell scored by playing tic tac toe. In the second, there was no slide, and Cornell scored by Long beating his man.

This comment is with respect for Starsia. It's just that Long put Richmond's defenders between a rock and a hard place.

Coach Starsia knows that Mikey Long is a dominant right player, and apparently Starsia didn't think Long would shoot with the left. But Long has buried it coming around the left side before, but I don't recall that he does it that often.
The defender made the "wrong" decision the first time got burned, then made the "right" decision and got burned. Sometimes you just gotta hand it to a guy like Long. The best thing about being good is that sometimes there are no right answers against you.

mike1960

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Quote from: CU77Article on the game: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/trust-everyone-long-lifts-cornell-to-complete-comeback-at-richmond/64722

Dom Starsia's commentary regarding Long is interesting. After Cornell scored its 7th goal, via passes from Long to Goldstein to Kirst, Starsia commented on Long coming around on the right side of the goal from X. Long was holding his stick in his left hand and a Richmond defender, apparently afraid Long would shoot, slid to double-team him. But instead of shooting, he passed to Goldstein, who quickly passed to Kirst. Starsia commented that the slide was ill-advised because Long was holding his stick in his left hand and therefore was not much of a danger to shoot, but the slide left Kirst open.

Then, after Long scored Cornell's 12th goal, Starsia said it was "a big-time play" in which Long used his off-hand to shoot. The play was virtually identical to the earlier one, except nobody slid to help defend Long and leave another man open. So, instead of passing to escape a double-team, Long just beat his man and scored.

In the first case, Starsia didn't want the slide, and Cornell scored by playing tic tac toe. In the second, there was no slide, and Cornell scored by Long beating his man.

This comment is with respect for Starsia. It's just that Long put Richmond's defenders between a rock and a hard place.

Coach Starsia knows that Mikey Long is a dominant right player, and apparently Starsia didn't think Long would shoot with the left. But Long has buried it coming around the left side before, but I don't recall that he does it that often.
The defender made the "wrong" decision the first time got burned, then made the "right" decision and got burned. Sometimes you just gotta hand it to a guy like Long. The best thing about being good is that sometimes there are no right answers against you.

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CU77


billhoward

Was-#2 Maryland edged #1 Notre Dame, 11-10, moved into first place in the March 3 lacrosse media poll. Cornell remains #3, would have been hard to move up off a one-goal victory over #14 Richmond, which did move up one spot to 13.

Also, 3-1 Princeton from #8 to #4 (beat NC 14-12). Cornell's next opponent Penn State (12 noon Saturday 3/8, 3 hours before the Cornell-Clarkson ECAC womens semifinal) up one to #8. Syracuse remains 11, Harvard 12, Colgate (which we have played since 2022, and probably should) up two spots to #16, Denver now 4-2 fell one to #16, Penn at 2-3 falls five spots to #18.

Based on these early polls: If only Cornell could have had #5 Army and also-receiving-votes Colgate on the RS schedule, instead of, say, 1-3 SUNY Albany (also receiving votes) because Colgate could be a day trip.

Coaches poll. Updated and corrected after poll released Monday afternoon:
 1. Maryland
 2. Notre Dame
 3. Cornell
 4. Princeton
 5  Army
 6. NC
 7. Hopkins
 8. Duke
 9. Penn State
10. Georgetown  



Media poll:

RichH

Quote from: billhowardCornell's next opponent Penn State (12 noon Saturday 3/8, 3 hours before the Cornell-Clarkson ECAC womens semifinal)

The Cornell-Clarkson women's hockey semifinal is Friday at 3 pm.  The women's ECAC Final is 3 pm on Saturday, teams TBD.

CU77

Quote from: billhowardMonday afternoon coaches poll:
That is not the correct poll! Inside Lacrosse's link is broken. Here is the correct poll:

https://usila.org/index.aspx

Top ten are the same as the media poll with a swap of #8 and #9.

jjanow99

Nice article on Walker Wallace in Inside Lacrosse. I had forgotten that he came in as a goalie, and a highly regarded one at that.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/-everything-i-could-have-hoped-for-cornell-s-walker-wallace-gets-richmond-homecoming-w/64747

upprdeck

does lacrosse have the same rule as hockey where no one else can use the goalie stick?

mike1960

Quote from: upprdeckdoes lacrosse have the same rule as hockey where no one else can use the goalie stick?

Yes. There are strict requirements on the dimensions of sticks.

upprdeck

No I mean is the goalie the only one who can use the stick or say if players collide and the goalie gets knocked 10 yds out of the play could a D use his stick in the moment?  or in that case can anyone swap sticks?

Hockey anyone can except the goalie stick.



Just wondering when Cornell gets to play a home area game in decent temp?

I have a hard time going to a good game like PSU and then sitting in 30 with 20MPH winds feeling like 10 and then want to go sit in the hockey arena for 2 games.

There is a chance we see 40s for the Penn game