Cornell @ Clarkson, 2/23

[BearLover]

coach said they reviewed for goalie interference not a hand pass.  I dont think hockey looks at everything in a review like football does.

https://youtu.be/we5ik1oC-Z4?si=EL7WOyoGR6Qyinn5

Slow down this video to .25 speed and watch the tying Clarkson goal. Can someone explain how this isn't a hand pass? The Clarkson player pushes the puck backwards to a teammate with his hand.

I guess the coaches must have only realized it was a hand pass when watching the play the following day. Otherwise, seems like the challenge likely would have succeeded.

So, losing in OT on the road vs Clarkson instead of winning is worth how much RPI? Hopefully the season doesn't come down to this blown call/missed challenge.

OT loss on the road is

1.2 * 0.33333 = 0.400

OT tie on the road is

1.2 * 0.5 = 0.600

And, as I've blathered about before (and could be wrong), the opponent quality doesn't matter if you flip it unless the opponent is a team good enough to grant a quality win bonus (I think).

So OT loss @clarkson and OT tie @slu is the same as OT tie @clarkson and OT loss @slu.

Sorry, yeah—the question I'm asking is how much higher our RPI would be if we changed an OT loss to a regulation win. I only mentioned Clarkson because the clear outcome of an effective hand pass challenge would have made this hypothetical a reality.

[adamw]

Sorry, yeah—the question I'm asking is how much higher our RPI would be if we changed an OT loss to a regulation win. I only mentioned Clarkson because the clear outcome of an effective hand pass challenge would have made this hypothetical a reality.

1.200 for straight win - 0.400 for the OT loss ... but then obviously divide by all the games played so far - and that a team's own win% is only 21% of the overall RPI - and it's obviously a tiny amt. of points. But if you want to know exactly - go to CHN's Pairwise, click on "Customize" tab, and change Cornell to a win, and see the difference

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/

[adamw]

Sorry, yeah—the question I'm asking is how much higher our RPI would be if we changed an OT loss to a regulation win. I only mentioned Clarkson because the clear outcome of an effective hand pass challenge would have made this hypothetical a reality.

1.200 for straight win - 0.400 for the OT loss ... but then obviously divide by all the games played so far - and that a team's own win% is only 21% of the overall RPI - and it's obviously a tiny amt. of points. But if you want to know exactly - go to CHN's Pairwise, click on "Customize" tab, and change Cornell to a win, and see the difference

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/

and the answer is .0056 -- which is quite a bit

[RichH]

Sorry, yeah—the question I'm asking is how much higher our RPI would be if we changed an OT loss to a regulation win. I only mentioned Clarkson because the clear outcome of an effective hand pass challenge would have made this hypothetical a reality.

1.200 for straight win - 0.400 for the OT loss ... but then obviously divide by all the games played so far - and that a team's own win% is only 21% of the overall RPI - and it's obviously a tiny amt. of points. But if you want to know exactly - go to CHN's Pairwise, click on "Customize" tab, and change Cornell to a win, and see the difference

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/

A most dangerous tool for the "if only" crowd here. It's a gateway to insanity, I tell you!!  ;-)

[BearLover]

Sorry, yeah—the question I'm asking is how much higher our RPI would be if we changed an OT loss to a regulation win. I only mentioned Clarkson because the clear outcome of an effective hand pass challenge would have made this hypothetical a reality.

1.200 for straight win - 0.400 for the OT loss ... but then obviously divide by all the games played so far - and that a team's own win% is only 21% of the overall RPI - and it's obviously a tiny amt. of points. But if you want to know exactly - go to CHN's Pairwise, click on "Customize" tab, and change Cornell to a win, and see the difference

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/

and the answer is .0056 -- which is quite a bit

Well, let's hope Cornell doesn't miss the NCAAs by .0056 RPI or less...

[marty]

Sorry, yeah—the question I'm asking is how much higher our RPI would be if we changed an OT loss to a regulation win. I only mentioned Clarkson because the clear outcome of an effective hand pass challenge would have made this hypothetical a reality.

1.200 for straight win - 0.400 for the OT loss ... but then obviously divide by all the games played so far - and that a team's own win% is only 21% of the overall RPI - and it's obviously a tiny amt. of points. But if you want to know exactly - go to CHN's Pairwise, click on "Customize" tab, and change Cornell to a win, and see the difference

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/

A most dangerous tool for the "if only" crowd here. It's a gateway to insanity, I tell you!!  ;-)

Many of us don't need another door.

[Dafatone]

Sorry, yeah—the question I'm asking is how much higher our RPI would be if we changed an OT loss to a regulation win. I only mentioned Clarkson because the clear outcome of an effective hand pass challenge would have made this hypothetical a reality.

1.200 for straight win - 0.400 for the OT loss ... but then obviously divide by all the games played so far - and that a team's own win% is only 21% of the overall RPI - and it's obviously a tiny amt. of points. But if you want to know exactly - go to CHN's Pairwise, click on "Customize" tab, and change Cornell to a win, and see the difference

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/

and the answer is .0056 -- which is quite a bit

Well, let's hope Cornell doesn't miss the NCAAs by .0056 RPI or less...

I'm not sure it was actually a hand pass. The puck hit the center in the hand (I think) but he didn't really push or throw the puck. Would that count?

[BearLover]

Sorry, yeah—the question I'm asking is how much higher our RPI would be if we changed an OT loss to a regulation win. I only mentioned Clarkson because the clear outcome of an effective hand pass challenge would have made this hypothetical a reality.

1.200 for straight win - 0.400 for the OT loss ... but then obviously divide by all the games played so far - and that a team's own win% is only 21% of the overall RPI - and it's obviously a tiny amt. of points. But if you want to know exactly - go to CHN's Pairwise, click on "Customize" tab, and change Cornell to a win, and see the difference

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/

and the answer is .0056 -- which is quite a bit

Well, let's hope Cornell doesn't miss the NCAAs by .0056 RPI or less...

I'm not sure it was actually a hand pass. The puck hit the center in the hand (I think) but he didn't really push or throw the puck. Would that count?

I thought that at .25 speed it looked like he pushed the puck with his hand, but in real time it didn't. I assume the ruling hinges on whether he pushed the puck or not, but I'm not certain.

[Trotsky]

We were discussing this morning on who we think is the most understated yet effective player -too many come to mind. Haven't settled that discussion as of yet

My vote right now would be for Devlin or Catalano.

[chimpfood]

We were discussing this morning on who we think is the most understated yet effective player -too many come to mind. Haven't settled that discussion as of yet

My vote right now would be for Devlin or Catalano.

they certainly get more attention than those two, but I think that kempf and Penney aren't getting the recognition that they deserve.

[fastforward]

We were discussing this morning on who we think is the most understated yet effective player -too many come to mind. Haven't settled that discussion as of yet

My vote right now would be for Devlin or Catalano.

I agree and like when they're on the line with Kraft - he's another one that always puts the pedal to the metal. Glad O'Brien is getting time too. Always feel bad for the goalies that don't get in much but understand why.

[osorojo]

It seems that Cornell plays poorly in critical games against teams with mediocre (or worse) records - but plays well against higher-ranked teams. The only reason I can think of to create such an anomaly would be poor preparation and/or poor focus. I miss the old "go-for-the-throat" days of Harkness hockey. For example: In the late 60's I was sitting in bleachers just a few feet directly above the walkway to the locker room at Colgate rink. It was the end of the second period, and Cornell was Clobbering Colgate.The last to pass under my seat on the way to the locker rooms to the locker rooms were Ned Harkness and the Colgate coach.I clearly heard the Colgate coach say "Ease up a bit" - or words to that effect - and just as clearly heard Harkness respond "Go F*** yourself!" Ned was a great communicator.

[Dafatone]

There goes the neighborhood

[billhoward]

There were no humanitarian awards for coaches or players back then.

If I was a visiting coach and Harkness set -- and it couldn't be unset -- the heat to 85 degrees in the visitor locker room, I'd bring a fire axe the second year to improve ventilation, and for year three I'd bring a couple of fans the fire department uses to clear smoke. P.S, You ever seen a concrete-wall saw with a diamond-tip 14" blade? Works right quick.

[osorojo]

I was hoping for a cogent explanation (or excuse) for current Cornell Men's hockey pitiful record against opponents ranked 20th best - or worse! I only mentioned past Cornell Ice Hockey glory because I still cherish memories of the Lou Mobbs and Paul Patton and Ned Harkness days.