Cornell @ Clarkson, 2/23

[jtwcornell91]

They ring it for big hits in women's games, too. Which is sort of interesting because those could in theory wind up being penalties.

I was thinking that same thing during our game.  What if there's a borderline hit on our guy and it's in review?  That stupid bell ring might just be the psychological tip to the side of it being excessive.

The bell has been there as long as I can remember, like the goddamn train whistle, but I don't remember it punctuating hits.  I  remember it being disconnected from any particular action, though, so maybe it was sometimes hits, but behind the play and out of frame.

I wrote in 1997

I never saw the Bell in its heyday, but it would have been more impressive if they hadn't rung it at seemingly random times ("Yay, we completed a pass at the red line!").

[billhoward]

The Clarkson overtime goal. A Clarkson takeaway in our end, and that's all she wrote.

https://billhoward.smugmug.com/ELynah/Cornell-Clarkson-2024-0224

[upprdeck]

in the coaches notes.  something about a handpass on the clarkson goal they tied it up?

[Dafatone]

in the coaches notes.  something about a handpass on the clarkson goal they tied it up?

They reviewed it for a hand pass. The puck left the face-off circle and then got knocked back in. Clarkson's center was down on his hands and knees, and the puck appeared to hit either his stick or his closed hand around his stick and then squirt back to the d-man. Held up on review.

[upprdeck]

coach said they reviewed for goalie interference not a hand pass.  I dont think hockey looks at everything in a review like football does.

[BearLover]

coach said they reviewed for goalie interference not a hand pass.  I dont think hockey looks at everything in a review like football does.

https://youtu.be/we5ik1oC-Z4?si=EL7WOyoGR6Qyinn5

Slow down this video to .25 speed and watch the tying Clarkson goal. Can someone explain how this isn't a hand pass? The Clarkson player pushes the puck backwards to a teammate with his hand.

I guess the coaches must have only realized it was a hand pass when watching the play the following day. Otherwise, seems like the challenge likely would have succeeded.

So, losing in OT on the road vs Clarkson instead of winning is worth how much RPI? Hopefully the season doesn't come down to this blown call/missed challenge.

[BearLover]

coach said they reviewed for goalie interference not a hand pass.  I dont think hockey looks at everything in a review like football does.

https://youtu.be/we5ik1oC-Z4?si=EL7WOyoGR6Qyinn5

Slow down this video to .25 speed and watch the tying Clarkson goal. Can someone explain how this isn't a hand pass? The Clarkson player pushes the puck backwards to a teammate with his hand.

I guess the coaches must have only realized it was a hand pass when watching the play the following day. Otherwise, seems like the challenge likely would have succeeded.

So, losing in OT on the road vs Clarkson instead of winning is worth how much RPI? Hopefully the season doesn't come down to this blown call/missed challenge.

Watching it in real time, it looks like the puck just hits the player's stick rather than his hand. But in slow-mo, clearly looks like the hand. Easy to see how this was missed in real time. It is possible it hit the player's stick, but still looks like a hand motion to me, all things considered.

[upprdeck]

it all matters but if we had won the game in Reg we would still be in 16th though closer to 15. the same for Sat nights game.

Win both nights though we would be in 11th

[ugarte]

it all matters but if we had won the game in Reg we would still be in 16th though closer to 15. the same for Sat nights game.

Win both nights though we would be in 11th

Funny to think the Clarkson game didn't have much impact... because the SLU tie was so bad it doesn't matter.

[BearLover]

it all matters but if we had won the game in Reg we would still be in 16th though closer to 15. the same for Sat nights game.

Win both nights though we would be in 11th

The goal is to get an at-large bid by the end of the season. Thus, the difference in RPI for winning/losing is what matters, not whether we are 15 or 16 in a particular weekend before the end of the season. For example, at this point in the season it is much better to be 16th and a minuscule amount behind 12th than it is to be 15th with a huge gap before 14th. So the important question here is how much RPI we lost.

[George64]

Sometimes, I think that in an effort to be more objective, we've replaced sound judgement with pernicious metrics.  Case in point, we've replaced "smoke-filled" rooms with unrepresentative primaries, and look what we got, but I digress.  

Back to important stuff.  Some teams start slowly and peak at the right time, others peak too early.  Tournament inclusion and seedings should take account of this.  Human judgement, that is the selection committee, could ameliorate this to some degree.  If two teams end up with similar metrics, give the edge to the team that finished stronger.

Here's a thought.  Calculate a metric at season's end for each team's entire season and also for its final half, then average the two.  This would account for the team's entire body of work, but also acknowledge its improvement or decline.

[fastforward]

I'm quite pleased with this team overall and thankful of the bye weekend before the home ice playoff weekend, especially since the coach stated that guys are still sick.
Excited to see how this young team grows.
We were discussing this morning on who we think is the most understated yet effective player -too many come to mind. Haven't settled that discussion as of yet

[upprdeck]

Win the next 4 home games and then see what is what.. There is a good chance by then that winning the first night in Lake Placid is enough. How ever Quin losing anyplace along the way adds another dynamic as does the B10/HE/or ND not winning the NCHC.  we could be up to 12th and still not get in..

[adamw]

coach said they reviewed for goalie interference not a hand pass.  I dont think hockey looks at everything in a review like football does.

https://youtu.be/we5ik1oC-Z4?si=EL7WOyoGR6Qyinn5

Slow down this video to .25 speed and watch the tying Clarkson goal. Can someone explain how this isn't a hand pass? The Clarkson player pushes the puck backwards to a teammate with his hand.

I guess the coaches must have only realized it was a hand pass when watching the play the following day. Otherwise, seems like the challenge likely would have succeeded.

So, losing in OT on the road vs Clarkson instead of winning is worth how much RPI? Hopefully the season doesn't come down to this blown call/missed challenge.

OT loss on the road is

1.2 * 0.33333 = 0.400

OT tie on the road is

1.2 * 0.5 = 0.600

[Dafatone]

coach said they reviewed for goalie interference not a hand pass.  I dont think hockey looks at everything in a review like football does.

https://youtu.be/we5ik1oC-Z4?si=EL7WOyoGR6Qyinn5

Slow down this video to .25 speed and watch the tying Clarkson goal. Can someone explain how this isn't a hand pass? The Clarkson player pushes the puck backwards to a teammate with his hand.

I guess the coaches must have only realized it was a hand pass when watching the play the following day. Otherwise, seems like the challenge likely would have succeeded.

So, losing in OT on the road vs Clarkson instead of winning is worth how much RPI? Hopefully the season doesn't come down to this blown call/missed challenge.

OT loss on the road is

1.2 * 0.33333 = 0.400

OT tie on the road is

1.2 * 0.5 = 0.600

And, as I've blathered about before (and could be wrong), the opponent quality doesn't matter if you flip it unless the opponent is a team good enough to grant a quality win bonus (I think).

So OT loss @clarkson and OT tie @slu is the same as OT tie @clarkson and OT loss @slu.