Men’s Basketball 23-24

[mountainred]

I don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3.  They've beaten nobody but Princeton.  The have a couple of terrible losses.  Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.

might be margin of victory; i think it measures by possession not just ultimate result.

It's a lot of factors and, yes, KenPom is based on per possession numbers.  Keep in mind, Yale started ahead of Cornell by 60 spots, so Cornell has closed the gap.  Lately, Yale's 8 game win streak hasn't had any particularly close finals, while Cornell has had two one possession wins in its 7 game win streak.  Cornell's schedule hasn't held up as well as anticipated, so while Yale has some bad losses, they have some better out of conference wins (LM, Santa Clara).  And Ken's model still gives the side eye to Cornell's defense.

Personally, I think KenPom is great, but worrying about ranking discrepancies of 20-30 places will drive you crazy.  Twenty data points (games) just isn't enough to expect precision.

[mike1960]

I don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3.  They've beaten nobody but Princeton.  The have a couple of terrible losses.  Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.

might be margin of victory; i think it measures by possession not just ultimate result.

It's a lot of factors and, yes, KenPom is based on per possession numbers.  Keep in mind, Yale started ahead of Cornell by 60 spots, so Cornell has closed the gap.  Lately, Yale's 8 game win streak hasn't had any particularly close finals, while Cornell has had two one possession wins in its 7 game win streak.  Cornell's schedule hasn't held up as well as anticipated, so while Yale has some bad losses, they have some better out of conference wins (LM, Santa Clara).  And Ken's model still gives the side eye to Cornell's defense.

Personally, I think KenPom is great, but worrying about ranking discrepancies of 20-30 places will drive you crazy.  Twenty data points (games) just isn't enough to expect precision.

Just win.

[mountainred]

I don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3.  They've beaten nobody but Princeton.  The have a couple of terrible losses.  Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.

might be margin of victory; i think it measures by possession not just ultimate result.

It's a lot of factors and, yes, KenPom is based on per possession numbers.  Keep in mind, Yale started ahead of Cornell by 60 spots, so Cornell has closed the gap.  Lately, Yale's 8 game win streak hasn't had any particularly close finals, while Cornell has had two one possession wins in its 7 game win streak.  Cornell's schedule hasn't held up as well as anticipated, so while Yale has some bad losses, they have some better out of conference wins (LM, Santa Clara).  And Ken's model still gives the side eye to Cornell's defense.

Personally, I think KenPom is great, but worrying about ranking discrepancies of 20-30 places will drive you crazy.  Twenty data points (games) just isn't enough to expect precision.

Just win.

Well, yeah.  If you want to dream, CBS has Cornell as a #13 seed playing Clemson.

[Al DeFlorio]

Assuming the Ivy autobid?

[Mr. Niss]

Is there a world where Cornell continues winning but stumbles in say the Ivy League title game and gets an at large to the dance? I don't know enough about college hoops but have always heard the Ivy League is, and always will be, a one bid league.

Funny you mention this -- before the Cornell-Princeton game, there was talk somewhere (I think it might have been on ESPN) about *Princeton* being an at large team in this exact scenario, running the Ivy table and then losing in the championship game.  But they have a much better out-of-conference resume.

[Mr. Niss]

I don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3.  They've beaten nobody but Princeton.  The have a couple of terrible losses.  Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.

might be margin of victory; i think it measures by possession not just ultimate result.

It's a lot of factors and, yes, KenPom is based on per possession numbers.  Keep in mind, Yale started ahead of Cornell by 60 spots, so Cornell has closed the gap.  Lately, Yale's 8 game win streak hasn't had any particularly close finals, while Cornell has had two one possession wins in its 7 game win streak.  Cornell's schedule hasn't held up as well as anticipated, so while Yale has some bad losses, they have some better out of conference wins (LM, Santa Clara).  And Ken's model still gives the side eye to Cornell's defense.

Personally, I think KenPom is great, but worrying about ranking discrepancies of 20-30 places will drive you crazy.  Twenty data points (games) just isn't enough to expect precision.

Just win.

Well, yeah.  If you want to dream, CBS has Cornell as a #13 seed playing Clemson.

I just saw Lunardi has us as a 14 (aq) vs Iowa State.  I think 14 is fair for us should we be the team that emerges, and I say that as someone who (with Jay Bilas) is not over us getting a 12 in 2010.  His rant about how we should have gotten the 5 seed in that group allows me to die in peace.

[ugarte]

I don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3.  They've beaten nobody but Princeton.  The have a couple of terrible losses.  Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.

might be margin of victory; i think it measures by possession not just ultimate result.

It's a lot of factors and, yes, KenPom is based on per possession numbers.  Keep in mind, Yale started ahead of Cornell by 60 spots, so Cornell has closed the gap.  Lately, Yale's 8 game win streak hasn't had any particularly close finals, while Cornell has had two one possession wins in its 7 game win streak.  Cornell's schedule hasn't held up as well as anticipated, so while Yale has some bad losses, they have some better out of conference wins (LM, Santa Clara).  And Ken's model still gives the side eye to Cornell's defense.

Personally, I think KenPom is great, but worrying about ranking discrepancies of 20-30 places will drive you crazy.  Twenty data points (games) just isn't enough to expect precision.

Just win.

Well, yeah.  If you want to dream, CBS has Cornell as a #13 seed playing Clemson.

I just saw Lunardi has us as a 14 (aq) vs Iowa State.  I think 14 is fair for us should we be the team that emerges, and I say that as someone who (with Jay Bilas) is not over us getting a 12 in 2010.  His rant about how we should have gotten the 5 seed in that group allows me to die in peace.

We were a 13 last week as AQ before almost bottling the Dartmouth game.While 13 is sometimes an at-large, we were still behind Boise St., 12-seed/last team in.

[upprdeck]

If they win out and lose the last Game there is a slight chance of an At large bid.

[ugarte]

If they win out and lose the last Game there is a slight chance of an At large bid.

very slight. our SOS going forward isn't great since our best opponents (2-3 games v Yale, 1-2 games v Princeton including at least one loss) are fringe at-large candidates as well. Syracuse being ranked on par with Yale and GMU being roughly on par with us are our two best non-Ivy opponents and they are both losses. I assume we have to win the ILT but also assume we are very good NIT candidates if we finish second.

[mike1960]

If they win out and lose the last Game there is a slight chance of an At large bid.

Talking about winning out with 8 games left?

[ugarte]

If they win out and lose the last Game there is a slight chance of an At large bid.

Talking about winning out with 8 games left?

well, if we don't win out until the ILT final, there is zero chance.

[upprdeck]

If they win out. they may be ranked be default and that buys some good will regardless of SOS and NET and stuff

[CAS]

Playoffs?  Cornell beat Brown &
Dartmouth on the road by a combined 4 points.  Let's see what happens at Yale.

[upprdeck]

Playoffs?  Cornell beat Brown &
Dartmouth on the road by a combined 4 points.  Let's see what happens at Yale.

When you give a team 38Fts it gets hard to win vs Brown
Then vs Dart we shoot 31 3's and make 6.

Both things we need to avoid as often as we can.

[chimpfood]

No votes in the polls this week. I certainly don't think that we're a top 25 team in the country but it's a bit confusing to lose our coaches poll votes after winning two on the road this week.