Opponents and Others 2023-24

[Trotsky]

If we think our freshmen are good, BC has an all-freshman line which has combined for 38 goals this season.

If we had 3 1st rounders on a line they'd have the same type of production

And they'd leave after 2 years.

[Give My Regards]

What is the back story here? I remember Walsh getting popped for taking money from boosters. Was Kariya also?

I don't recall anything about Walsh taking money from boosters. And even if he did, I don't think that's against any rules.

Walsh did take some money from boosters while he was on a five-game unpaid suspension, despite specifically being told by the university NOT to take the money.  I'm unclear whether that was a rules violation, but apparently the real problem was that he lied about the whole situation a few months later during an investigation.

[Swampy]

Kariya would have just played somewhere else.

I always wondered who else recruited him.  He did come out of BC when the McCutcheon pipeline was at its peak.

What is the back story here? I remember Walsh getting popped for taking money from boosters. Was Kariya also?

I don't recall anything about Walsh taking money from boosters. And even if he did, I don't think that's against any rules.

Walsh broke a hundred other rules, though -- mainly getting ineligible players skated by because Maine's admissions and compliance department was non-existent, clueless, didn't care or all of the above. This led to numerous players getting declared ineligible after the fact, and games having to be forfeited left and right. And when he got dinged on one, he'd just try it again with someone else. Walsh always thought he could outsmart everyone, and that his interpretation of the rules were correct, and he was defiant about it. Moreso, he was just trying to pull the wool over people's eyes.

Sounds as if he might have had a better future running for President of the United States. ::whistle::

[upprdeck]

Cornell needs to work hard on the road this weekend

Root for  MSU/Maine sweeps and Umass to get nothing better than a split vs UConn.

Really wild would be WMU splitting with Omaha

Cornell potentially could move to 10th if all that happens.

[abmarks]

If we think our freshmen are good, BC has an all-freshman line which has combined for 38 goals this season.

If we had 3 1st rounders on a line they'd have the same type of production

And they'd leave after 2 years.

If you can reload with 3.more every two years, who cares?

[Trotsky]

If we think our freshmen are good, BC has an all-freshman line which has combined for 38 goals this season.

If we had 3 1st rounders on a line they'd have the same type of production

And they'd leave after 2 years.

If you can reload with 3.more every two years, who cares?

I guess that's true, but I think there are symbiotic effects with guys who play a long time together.  And patriots are more romantic than mercenaries.

Schafer's success has been an expression of the advantages of team culture and experience over atomistic individuals, however talented.

[BearLover]

Can somebody please plot a graph with # of draft picks on the X axis and that team's PWR on the Y axis, to test the correlation?

[Chris '03]

Can somebody please plot a graph with # of draft picks on the X axis and that team's PWR on the Y axis, to test the correlation?

Current RPI vs Picks: https://imgur.com/4UKHy5q

[Trotsky]

Can somebody please plot a graph with # of draft picks on the X axis and that team's PWR on the Y axis, to test the correlation?

Current RPI vs Picks: https://imgur.com/4UKHy5q

Oh, Stonehill...

[BearLover]

Can somebody please plot a graph with # of draft picks on the X axis and that team's PWR on the Y axis, to test the correlation?

Current RPI vs Picks: https://imgur.com/4UKHy5q

Awesome job, thank you! One note—I think the correlation doesn't jump off the page as much as it would if the scale of the Y-axis were adjusted for the fact that RPI ranges from 42% to 62% (excluding Stonehill). Which is to say, there is an EXTREMELY positive correlation this year between draft picks and RPI. Obviously, correlation=/=causation. Better programs attract better talent, etc. etc. But maybe the people on this forum will reconsider their refusal to judge a team's quality in part by its number of drafted players.

[BearLover]

Can somebody please plot a graph with # of draft picks on the X axis and that team's PWR on the Y axis, to test the correlation?

Current RPI vs Picks: https://imgur.com/4UKHy5q

Also, quick question: from where did you derive the number of picks on each team? I know BU and BC each have 14, but the graph stops at 13. The CHN rosters are missing some drafted players, if that's where you got the data.

[Chris '03]

Can somebody please plot a graph with # of draft picks on the X axis and that team's PWR on the Y axis, to test the correlation?

Current RPI vs Picks: https://imgur.com/4UKHy5q

Also, quick question: from where did you derive the number of picks on each team? I know BU and BC each have 14, but the graph stops at 13. The CHN rosters are missing some drafted players, if that's where you got the data.

I pulled it from CHN quickly.  So any errors are likely mine first and CHN's second to the extent any of their data is incomplete.

I think one issue driving the data is that about half the teams are at 0. When I limit the graph to looking only at teams with 2-10 picks, the relationship is less pronounced.

Here's that: https://imgur.com/7MSd1rC

If you adjust the y axis to emphasize the slope of the line, you get this: https://imgur.com/xujvKP0

For anyone curious as to ECAC specifically: https://imgur.com/t0RznBN

I'm a lawyer, not a stats guy by any means. So do with what you will with this.

[Chris '03]

Can somebody please plot a graph with # of draft picks on the X axis and that team's PWR on the Y axis, to test the correlation?

Current RPI vs Picks: https://imgur.com/4UKHy5q

Awesome job, thank you! One note—I think the correlation doesn't jump off the page as much as it would if the scale of the Y-axis were adjusted for the fact that RPI ranges from 42% to 62% (excluding Stonehill). Which is to say, there is an EXTREMELY positive correlation this year between draft picks and RPI. Obviously, correlation=/=causation. Better programs attract better talent, etc. etc. But maybe the people on this forum will reconsider their refusal to judge a team's quality in part by its number of drafted players.

I'm not sure anyone refuses to consider draft picks, in part, as a tool for evaluating quality of a team.  I think the general sentiment is that you overvalue it by a large margin.

[upprdeck]

Its just like the star ranking in college fball.  Yeah you miss on the star rankings a decent amount..

But if one team has 20 4stars and one team has 3, you dont have be near as good as spotting the talent.  You go 30% and you have 6 Ohio state players and the other team goes 100% still only has 3..

You do that over 2-3 years and now its 18 vs 9..  It just adds up.  If both teams go at 50% its even worse 30 vs 4..

[BearLover]

Can somebody please plot a graph with # of draft picks on the X axis and that team's PWR on the Y axis, to test the correlation?

Current RPI vs Picks: https://imgur.com/4UKHy5q

Awesome job, thank you! One note—I think the correlation doesn't jump off the page as much as it would if the scale of the Y-axis were adjusted for the fact that RPI ranges from 42% to 62% (excluding Stonehill). Which is to say, there is an EXTREMELY positive correlation this year between draft picks and RPI. Obviously, correlation=/=causation. Better programs attract better talent, etc. etc. But maybe the people on this forum will reconsider their refusal to judge a team's quality in part by its number of drafted players.

I'm not sure anyone refuses to consider draft picks, in part, as a tool for evaluating quality of a team.  I think the general sentiment is that you overvalue it by a large margin.

Yes, I should have said: "in significant part." I feel pretty strongly about my position but not interested in rehashing this argument now. Thanks for the graphs.