Bracketology 2023

[scoop85]

few sports have things like goals scored in the end of hockey games.

What other sport has a mechanism where teams can totally change the way they play to try and score goals at the end of games, that can lead to the other team scoring like ENGs in hockey..  even Soccer where teams throw everything forward seldom does it mean the other team scores.. But in hockey a 3-1 game can turn into a 4-3 game that had little to do with how the 95% of the game was played.

Basketball is like that when the two-minute foul line parade starts for the team that played best for the first 38 minutes.  Unwatchable now for me.

That plus the incessant time outs.

[adamw]

The fancy-stats people in pro hockey likely have good ideas about rankings.

I don't know what makes you think that. I've seen NHL rankings -- I work for a site that has those too -- and they essentially the same as KRACH.

[CU77]

The fancy-stats people in pro hockey likely have good ideas about rankings.

I don't know what makes you think that. I've seen NHL rankings -- I work for a site that has those too -- and they essentially the same as KRACH.

I just assumed they would do something fancy because that's what they do ... also I would want to dig into what "essentially" means; any kind of ranking based of results of paired comparisons likely has some foundation in Bradley-Terry (aka KRACH), but adjusting based on scores, home v away v neutral, and time since game played can all be done. The issue is deciding, for example, by how much a game played a month ago should be discounted from a game played yesterday. This can only be done on an empirical basis, and it's a ton of work to get and analyze the data needed to do that.

[RichH]

few sports have things like goals scored in the end of hockey games.

What other sport has a mechanism where teams can totally change the way they play to try and score goals at the end of games, that can lead to the other team scoring like ENGs in hockey..  even Soccer where teams throw everything forward seldom does it mean the other team scores.. But in hockey a 3-1 game can turn into a 4-3 game that had little to do with how the 95% of the game was played.

When basketball turns into "foulpalooza" and it's just 20 minutes of exciting foul shooting.

Edit: Al beat me to it.

[Trotsky]

You could fix basketball by giving extra foul shots for multiple fouls within a certain interval.  Also, basketball should get one time out per half, period.

[dbilmes]

You could fix basketball by giving extra foul shots for multiple fouls within a certain interval.  Also, basketball should get one time out per half, period.

The TV networks rely on the timeouts for commercial breaks, especially in the NCAA Tournament when the timeouts seem to last forever.

[upprdeck]

But if you are going to use scores, changing from a 75-65 game to an 82-77 game is vastly different than being up 2-0 and the goalie us pulled and winning 4-0..

[Dafatone]

The best proposal for fixing basketball I've seen is to play to a score. Play 35 minutes, then if the score is Team 1 X, Team 2 Y (assume X > Y), first team to X+10 wins.

[ugarte]

The best proposal for fixing basketball I've seen is to play to a score. Play 35 minutes, then if the score is Team 1 X, Team 2 Y (assume X > Y), first team to X+10 wins.

that's how they play the ASG

[Al DeFlorio]

You could fix basketball by giving extra foul shots for multiple fouls within a certain interval.  Also, basketball should get one time out per half, period.

Just give the fouled team the option of taking the ball again.  The fouls will stop.

[Trotsky]

The best proposal for fixing basketball I've seen is to play to a score. Play 35 minutes, then if the score is Team 1 X, Team 2 Y (assume X > Y), first team to X+10 wins.

That's awesome.  And potentially endless which would destroy TV, so doubly great.

[Trotsky]

You could fix basketball by giving extra foul shots for multiple fouls within a certain interval.  Also, basketball should get one time out per half, period.

Just give the fouled team the option of taking the ball again.  The fouls will stop.

Just end foul shooting.  Fouled teams gets one point and the ball back.

[upprdeck]

they tried the foul thing and it didnt work..  you need fouls and the ball before it becomes a thing..

I am more in the after X fouls they all become 3 shot fouls

[RichH]

But if you are going to use scores, changing from a 75-65 game to an 82-77 game is vastly different than being up 2-0 and the goalie us pulled and winning 4-0..

AND ANOTHER THING

Entirely too much scoring. Too many times a team can score 119 points or more and lose because the last shot either goes in or rims out as time expired, rendering most early-game strategy kind of meaningless. Margin of victory is 0.5% of the total points scored.  Give me a game that's harder to score every 10 seconds and where the concept of defense can't be beaten by pushing the "Steph Curry" cheat code.

A big draw is how often basketball comes down to buzzer beaters. Why waste my time if I'm just going to watch a coin flip happen at the end?  (Cough cough hockey shootouts)

[upprdeck]

i guess we see at 7am if they have a ticket system for the games working..