IT'S A TRAP! Cornell vs Princeton

[Trotsky]

Am I correct that holding a top 10 spot in pairwise/rpi is nearly a guarantee at an at large bid if we don't get in through lake placid?

Not in January.

[andyw2100]

Two dumb penalties, one by O'Leary in the offensive zone and one by Bancroft retaliating after being pushed headfirst into the boards. If Bancroft stays down he maybe even draws five minutes there. Crazy that such a scary hit ended up in a 4x4.

The way those penalties were announced, and the way they appear, for now, in the box score, is cross-checking on Bancroft and embellishment on the other guy. There's not indication of the original hit on Bancroft.

We thought that the refs may have just messed them up, and intended to call cross-checking on the Princeton player, as the initial penalty, and then embellishment on Bancroft. Still wondering if that is what was intended.

[andyw2100]

Two dumb penalties, one by O'Leary in the offensive zone and one by Bancroft retaliating after being pushed headfirst into the boards. If Bancroft stays down he maybe even draws five minutes there. Crazy that such a scary hit ended up in a 4x4.

The way those penalties were announced, and the way they appear, for now, in the box score, is cross-checking on Bancroft and embellishment on the other guy. There's not indication of the original hit on Bancroft.

We thought that the refs may have just messed them up, and intended to call cross-checking on the Princeton player, as the initial penalty, and then embellishment on Bancroft. Still wondering if that is what was intended.

[Dunc]

Am I correct that holding a top 10 spot in pairwise/rpi is nearly a guarantee at an at large bid if we don't get in through lake placid?

Not in January.

Hence "holding"

[Iceberg]

I was wondering if the referees had called embellishment and my suspicion was confirmed. The call seemed odd, though, considering that Bancroft was actually in a vulnerable position and if anything, he lost his balance rather than trying to embellish. I initially thought nothing was going to be called when I was watching the game since the contact appeared to be soft, but who knows what has been going through officials' heads with some of the penalty decisions this season.

[Trotsky]

On the replay it sure didn't look like embellishment to me.

[George64]

Cornell 3 Princeton 2
Colgate 3 Quinnipiac 2
Brown 3 Harvard 2

In the ECAC, Cornell is now only one point behind Harvard for second place, although having played two fewer games.

[ugarte]

On the replay it sure didn't look like embellishment to me.

eh i didn't think he got hit that hard. i wouldn't say it was embellishment but i also wouldn't have called it malicious or even negligent. it looked more like he pulled up than plowed into him. i don't think that's a 5 after review.

[Trotsky]

Cornell 3 Princeton 2
Colgate 3 Quinnipiac 2
Brown 3 Harvard 2

In the ECAC, Cornell is now only one point behind Harvard for second place, although having played two fewer games.

Another way to put this is the percentage of the 3-points received for each game (I won't call it winning percentage because hockey has apparently now evolved beyond such quotidian concepts).

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.857 Qpc
.778 Cor
.694 Cgt
.690 Hvd
.500 Clk
.500 SLU
.444 Prn
.381 Brn
.333 RPI
.333 Uni
.308 Drt
.238 Yal


Cornell is now closer to 1st than to 3rd.

[Trotsky]

Let's appreciate what we have.  Cornell's record after 12 ECAC games, last 5 seasons:

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18 10-1-1
19  8-3-1
20  9-1-2
22  8-2-2
23  9-3-0


[CU2007]

Cornell 3 Princeton 2
Colgate 3 Quinnipiac 2
Brown 3 Harvard 2

In the ECAC, Cornell is now only one point behind Harvard for second place, although having played two fewer games.

Another way to put this is the percentage of the 3-oints received for each game (I won't call it inning percentage because hockey has apparently now evolved beyond such quotidian concepts).

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.857 Qpc
.778 Cor
.694 Cgt
.690 Hvd
.500 Clk
.500 SLU
.444 Prn
.381 Brn
.333 RPI
.333 Uni
.308 Drt
.238 Yal


Cornell is now closer to 1st than to 3rd.

Without jinxing anything, that's a fairly substantial cushion over 5th for the all-important bye and home ice quarterfinal

[BearLover]

Let's appreciate what we have.  Cornell's record after 12 ECAC games, last 5 seasons:

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18 10-1-1
19  8-3-1
20  9-1-2
22  8-2-2
23  9-3-0


I think we need to differentiate between regulation wins vs. 3x3 OT wins, and between regulation losses vs. 3x3 OT losses. Otherwise these are apples-to-oranges comparisons.

[ugarte]

Let's appreciate what we have.  Cornell's record after 12 ECAC games, last 5 seasons:

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18 10-1-1
19  8-3-1
20  9-1-2
22  8-2-2
23  9-3-0


I think we need to differentiate between regulation wins vs. 3x3 OT wins, and between regulation losses vs. 3x3 OT losses. Otherwise these are apples-to-oranges comparisons.

in a way yes but in another way, that's what the regular standings already do

[Trotsky]

Let's appreciate what we have.  Cornell's record after 12 ECAC games, last 5 seasons:

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18 10-1-1
19  8-3-1
20  9-1-2
22  8-2-2
23  9-3-0


I think we need to differentiate between regulation wins vs. 3x3 OT wins, and between regulation losses vs. 3x3 OT losses. Otherwise these are apples-to-oranges comparisons.

No.  Apples and oranges would be lumping shootout wins and losses in with real wins and losses.  Overtime wins and losses didn't change between the Old and New Testament.  Only the derp points did, and fuck the derp points.

[BearLover]

Let's appreciate what we have.  Cornell's record after 12 ECAC games, last 5 seasons:

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18 10-1-1
19  8-3-1
20  9-1-2
22  8-2-2
23  9-3-0


I think we need to differentiate between regulation wins vs. 3x3 OT wins, and between regulation losses vs. 3x3 OT losses. Otherwise these are apples-to-oranges comparisons.

No.  Apples and oranges would be lumping shootout wins and losses in with real wins and losses.  Overtime wins and losses didn't change between the Old and New Testament.  Only the derp points did, and fuck the derp points.

OT wins and losses did change following the switch to 3x3. OT wins/losses used to be worth the same as regulation wins/losses in both the standings and the pairwise. Now, a regulation win is worth 3 points and full PWR credit, while an OT win is worth 2 points and 67% PWR credit. Moreover, in evaluating how good a team is, it is important to differentiate between games that end in regulation versus OT. 3x3 is not representative of a normal hockey game and not worth putting much stake into. Last year's team won four OT games early in the season, which led a lot of people to overrate how good they were. Meanwhile, this year's Harvard game was evenly played, and giving Harvard full credit (and Cornell zero credit) for Harvard's 3x3 OT win does not comport with the standings, the PWR, or how the game played out.

Four of last year's wins were closer to a tie. One of this year's losses was closer to a tie. That's why this year's team looks better and is in a better position than last year's team. You wouldn't know that from equating OT outcomes with regulation outcomes, though.