UConn @ Cornell (MSG), 11/26/2022

[HeafDog]

2) I was disappointed no hats were thrown onto the ice when Bancfroft registered his hat trick. I wanted to throw mine, but since I was 18 rows from the ice  I would have had trouble throwing it that distance and getting it over the glass.

Same. I was way up in the 200 level and the only way my hat could have made it to the ice was if it had a brick in it.

Would throwing a hat at MSG get someone thrown out? (Without a brick, that is.)

[scoop85]

3) Did anyone get an explanation what the officials were looking for when they had that lengthy video replay after the penalty on Rego early in the second period? The play didn't seem to justify such a lengthy delay.

I think Rego's stick got high and up into the helmet but it looked like it rode up his body rather than being a direct crack to the shield.

Jason Weinstein seemed to think that Schafer asked for the review, and was asking for what happened shortly before the penalty to be reviewed. That was the same player Rego tangled with having hit Rego pretty high (close to his head) and into the boards.

Here's one for the guys that are on top of the rules: if they had ruled the original contact a penalty against the UConn player, would Rego's penalty that happened later have stood?

I was wondering if the review was for the elbow to Rego's head before he took his penalty. I too am curious had that call been made, would Rego's penalty have been wiped out.

[Dafatone]

Here's one for the guys that are on top of the rules: if they had ruled the original contact a penalty against the UConn player, would Rego's penalty that happened later have stood?

I can't imagine a penalty gets taken off the board if time is rolled back.  It's not a save point.  The infraction against the rules still occurred.

yeah I think they'd offset. you can lose a goal but no free shots.

Not quite the same, but I remember the Penguins committing a penalty on a breakaway for a penalty shot. But then a review caught a missed good goal, and since you can't have two goals on one stoppage (whatever that means), the penalty shot became a power play. Pens killed it and the guy who committed it immediately scored once he got back on the ice.

So in that different NHL case, a later penalty still counted after a goal that was missed. But it became a power play instead of a penalty shot.

[andyw2100]

Here's one for the guys that are on top of the rules: if they had ruled the original contact a penalty against the UConn player, would Rego's penalty that happened later have stood?

I can't imagine a penalty gets taken off the board if time is rolled back.  It's not a save point.  The infraction against the rules still occurred.

Assuming you are correct, what do they do if a penalty is called 30 seconds after an on-ice ruling of no goal during play that winds up being reviewed and found to be a goal? I'm fairly certain the clock is reset to the time of the goal. Would the penalty that occurred later also be assessed at that reset time (the goal time.)

And while I'm definitely not a rules maven, I'm fairly certain that a goal scored by the other team in the above scenario doesn't count if after a stoppage an earlier non-goal is reviewed and found to be a goal, right?

So a goal in that situation comes off the board but a penalty doesn't?

[dbilmes]

To answer one of my own questions, I just saw the official box score and the attendance was listed as 12,247.

[Dafatone]

Here's one for the guys that are on top of the rules: if they had ruled the original contact a penalty against the UConn player, would Rego's penalty that happened later have stood?

I can't imagine a penalty gets taken off the board if time is rolled back.  It's not a save point.  The infraction against the rules still occurred.

Assuming you are correct, what do they do if a penalty is called 30 seconds after an on-ice ruling of no goal during play that winds up being reviewed and found to be a goal? I'm fairly certain the clock is reset to the time of the goal. Would the penalty that occurred later also be assessed at that reset time (the goal time.)

And while I'm definitely not a rules maven, I'm fairly certain that a goal scored by the other team in the above scenario doesn't count if after a stoppage an earlier non-goal is reviewed and found to be a goal, right?

So a goal in that situation comes off the board but a penalty doesn't?

In the NHL at least, that first scenario is still a goal and a penalty, if I remember the game I described correctly.

Which I probably don't.

[Trotsky]

Here's one for the guys that are on top of the rules: if they had ruled the original contact a penalty against the UConn player, would Rego's penalty that happened later have stood?

I can't imagine a penalty gets taken off the board if time is rolled back.  It's not a save point.  The infraction against the rules still occurred.

Assuming you are correct, what do they do if a penalty is called 30 seconds after an on-ice ruling of no goal during play that winds up being reviewed and found to be a goal? I'm fairly certain the clock is reset to the time of the goal. Would the penalty that occurred later also be assessed at that reset time (the goal time.)

And while I'm definitely not a rules maven, I'm fairly certain that a goal scored by the other team in the above scenario doesn't count if after a stoppage an earlier non-goal is reviewed and found to be a goal, right?

So a goal in that situation comes off the board but a penalty doesn't?

That is my assumption.  "Civil actions" (goals, offsides, icings) are wiped out when the clock rewinds.  "Criminal actions" (penalties) persist.

I'm guessing.  ACM will know the exact rules and their evolution since the Harding administration.

[abmarks]

It appears C.U. does have a competitive Men's hockey team this year. This takes the heat off apologists and puts it where it belongs.

Where exactly does the heat belong now?

[ACM]

Here is the link to the NCAA rule book. You can download the PDF for free. Research the answers to your questions there.

[Will]

On another topic, Bancroft is a 21 yr old freshman with SIX years of Major Junior experience.

There used to be rules about losing years of college eligibility...is that still an issue?

According to hockeyDB, Bancroft played six seasons in the OJHL and MHL, which are Junior A leagues and considered to be amateur. Major Junior is the next level up; it is considered a professional level and playing in Major Juniors would remove NCAA eligibility.

[andyw2100]

Here is the link to the NCAA rule book. You can download the PDF for free. Research the answers to your questions there.

Thanks, Arthur.

I found this, which I believe we all knew:
--
12. When video review confirms the scoring of a goal at one end of the
ice, any goal scored at the other end during intervening action must be
disallowed.
--


I also found this, which was not specifically what we were looking for, but is relevant:
--
Officials are allowed to review a possible infraction that was not observed
during play and a major penalty may be considered. Should the officials
determine the infraction to be less than a major penalty, officials may not
assess this penalty by video review. However, if the officials determine that a
major penalty, major and game misconduct or disqualification has occurred,
those penalties may be enforced under this rule.
--

If I am understanding the above correctly, when the refs reviewed the possible hit to Rego's head, unless they determined that it warranted a major (or more significant) penalty, they could not assess a penalty. In other words, they could conclude, "Yeah, we missed that minor penalty. Oh well."

I found references to the above in at least a couple of other places. The rulebook makes it very clear that a minor penalty may not be assessed based on review, if the infraction missed on the ice.

And getting close to the answer to the question that started this all:

--
93.5 Non-Detected Goal - In situations when a non-detected goal is awarded,
officials will reset the game clock accordingly. If penalties occur prior to
or after the undetected goal, these penalties will be enforced regardless of
team.
--

It doesn't explicitly state that the time of the penalty will be the same as the time of the goal, but I think that is at least implied by the part about the game clock being reset accordingly.

I could not find anything that explicitly states what happens to a subsequent minor penalty if after review a major penalty is deemed to have taken place before the minor penalty, but it is possible I just missed it.

Thanks, again for the link, Arthur!

[Trotsky]

4 years and a handful of games spread over 2 years.  But that's still the longest Junior A career I've ever seen.

His final season in OJHL was dominant.  Leading point scorer and MVP.  98 points in 57 games including playoffs.

[ugarte]

4 years and a handful of games spread over 2 years.  But that's still the longest Junior A career I've ever seen.

His final season in OJHL was dominant.  Leading point scorer and MVP.  98 points in 57 games including playoffs.

he played his first game with this team when he was 15 and played a couple more the next year at 16. At the time he was mostly playing for St. Mary's Lincolns (Greater Ontario JHL) and Quinte Red Devils (Eastern AAA HL), the latter of which is a lower level than Juniors. Starting in 2018 he was moving among Ontario and Maritimes Junior teams. I don't think the 6 years seems as long when you discount the first couple of Juniors games as maybe playing up for tryouts or whatever as a kid mostly on local U16 and U18 squads. Was a 1 ppg player for 2 years before exploding last year for almost 2.

Really glad we got him!

[billhoward]

IIRC, back in the day Junior A was not a permissible path the pure amateurism of American college hockey. Like fifty years ago, which means back when Collegetown had two dozen bars and the restrooms in the Palms had been cleaned. Or swept out.

[billhoward]

Damn, that was a fun game. I messed around for two weeks beforehand looking at tickets and cursing the $22 pp Ticketmaster fee which came to like $160 for our merry band. But we found seven tickets in Section G, Row A, behind the UConn goal 1st/3rd period, which means we got to see 4 goals. I was minorly pissed that MSG had installed a Row AA meaning we were one row back from the glass. But still, it was fine enough. The row ahead of us was a jolly group of band alums, hangers-on and a spouse from Penn State who was psyched to be in the Garden and at the game. So, okay.

Our group was a regular United Nations of Sport. It included a BU alum (our son, who worked Agganis arena in the penalty box, for which he got PAID), a UConn fan/GF who was a good sport, a prep school hockey trainer son (S Kent (CT) School) and four actual graduated alumni of Fair Cornell.

Bleep Ticketmaster, which would not display the tickets on my phone, which I discovered before leaving home and so transferred to another group phone. If it's possible to vote in favor of an anti-trust investigation, mine's cast.

I see UConn drops two places to 8th in the polls while Cornell still is in the also-ran (below top 20) tier but no longer getting just a single vote. Maybe we can fix that Friday night.

Photos: Section G fans going nuts on the second Cornell goal; the Cornell band (actually, the only band there) offering third-period encouragement to UConn.