2022 Takeaways

Started by Trotsky, March 13, 2022, 06:38:31 PM

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redice

Quote from: upprdeckbut what if you actually had the actual breakaway stats to use instead of just saying he is bad at breakaways.. I know out goalies stopped a bunch as well even in shootouts.. the bigger issue we dont score on enough of our own and at the end of the year didnt generate very many,

I don't have any stats (to back it up).   But, Parris Duffus was superb on breakaways!   I didn't even worry when a skater came in on him, all alone, because I KNEW Parris had this!
"If a player won't go in the corners, he might as well take up checkers."

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Trotsky

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Quote from: Scersk '97Everything comes down to goaltending. I would expect we're bringing in he who was meant to be Galajda's replacement next year. One of them must develop into a "Cornell goaltender"—steady, positionally impeccable, and no need for flash.

Yes, but are they made or born?

I believe with the core we have now, the little (as painful as it is) we lose, and some of the guys coming in, if we got that one goalie who put in "normal" 1.71 / .925 (Dave McKee) numbers, we go to the F4 in 2023.

But while the guys this year did well, they weren't at that level, and the incoming guy Keoppel does not have promising numbers.

Having evolved from a team that wins 2-1 to a team that wins 3-2, we may have to further evolve to a team that wins 4-3.

Unfortunately Shane was 1.715/0.933 (CHN stats).

Now see, here's the problem right here.  Save percentage is too high...

Jim Hyla

Quote from: upprdeckbut what if you actually had the actual breakaway stats to use instead of just saying he is bad at breakaways.. I know out goalies stopped a bunch as well even in shootouts.. the bigger issue we dont score on enough of our own and at the end of the year didnt generate very many,

Yes, but what if.... That's a nice way to knock down my statement, when you/I don't know anywhere that you can find breakaway stats. So if you can't find stats, you use what you remember and your feelings.

You can disagree with me, but don't imply that my statement is specious because I don't have stats, when you know that those stats are probably not anywhere to be found.
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Dafatone

Shootouts and breakaways feel different, for some reason or another. Feels like guys score more on breakaways. Goalies have less time to know exactly what is coming compared to the very controlled setting of a shootout.

It felt like Shane didn't do well on breakaways. But "didn't do well" means he gave up 3 goals and stopped 2 or something. Small sample size and all that.

ugarte

Quote from: DafatoneShootouts and breakaways feel different, for some reason or another. Feels like guys score more on breakaways. Goalies have less time to know exactly what is coming compared to the very controlled setting of a shootout.

It felt like Shane didn't do well on breakaways. But "didn't do well" means he gave up 3 goals and stopped 2 or something. Small sample size and all that.
I also think shooters overthink the shootout. Plus, on a breakaway, the goalie has to consider everyone on the ice, not just the shooter. And the shooter has to worry about the defense chasing him so he can't get so in his head. Playing on instinct instead of trying to make the perfect fake probably leads to a more dangerous shooter.


scoop85

Quote from: ursusminorNate McDonald has entered the transfer portal. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SnAo5zRTca15P0NtjXplt3_MEviK0h85QbgNmS2vxxI/edit#gid=0

No surprise he's want to use that extra year of eligibility.

Scersk '97

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Quote from: ursusminorNate McDonald has entered the transfer portal. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SnAo5zRTca15P0NtjXplt3_MEviK0h85QbgNmS2vxxI/edit#gid=0

No surprise he's want to use that extra year of eligibility.

We're likely to see quite a few of next year's seniors doing the same (after next year's season) because of the Ivy League's idiotic treatment of those robbed of a season by COVID, never mind the typical prohibition against grad athletes.

Just a mess.

Cornell95

I was sort of sitting on this question the whole second half of the season
From my perspective, the team has been much more fluid on the breakout  (even with the departure of Kaldis)
and pushing in to the offensive zone with less D to D passing or waiting for line changes behind our own goal

But this season it seemed the primary offensive strategy was to get below the end line and then attempt a jam
It was so frequent I have to assume it is an intentional shift from the corner cycle/half wall attack that has been the hallmark of our stronger years

With Andreev, Berard, Betts, etc it seems like the team had the horses to continue with the old philosophy
Thoughts from those with more experience as players/coaches on the why ?
If this was a change in philosophy, do we expect it to stick heading forward?

Trotsky

Quote from: Cornell95I was sort of sitting on this question the whole second half of the season
From my perspective, the team has been much more fluid on the breakout  (even with the departure of Kaldis)
and pushing in to the offensive zone with less D to D passing or waiting for line changes behind our own goal

But this season it seemed the primary offensive strategy was to get below the end line and then attempt a jam
It was so frequent I have to assume it is an intentional shift from the corner cycle/half wall attack that has been the hallmark of our stronger years

With Andreev, Berard, Betts, etc it seems like the team had the horses to continue with the old philosophy
Thoughts from those with more experience as players/coaches on the why ?
If this was a change in philosophy, do we expect it to stick heading forward?

I think this is the further evolution away from a defensive style which we have been pursuing for the last 6-7 seasons.  Q proved this year that with the new rules you can  limit the opponent's chances by relentlessly pushing forward.  Whenever the D reacts to that with any kind of impedance it gets called as holding or interference.  All you need is a great goalie to deal with the inevitable counter odd man rushes and you pile up goal differential.

Seems reasonable to me, and not just because I prefer an up-tempo, skills style of play.  We evolve with the way the game is officiated.

Cornell95

Confused by your reply, as I dont see an offense that seems to prioritize jam attempts from the side of the goal as "...an up-tempo, skills style of play"

Dafatone

Quote from: Cornell95Confused by your reply, as I dont see an offense that seems to prioritize jam attempts from the side of the goal as "...an up-tempo, skills style of play"

I've been beating this drum a lot, but I think what's happened is that we don't clear space in front of the net and defenses collapse. Those jam attempts are looking to make one more pass to an open guy on the doorstep, but there's no one open because there are three defenders there.

Trotsky

Quote from: Cornell95Confused by your reply, as I dont see an offense that seems to prioritize jam attempts from the side of the goal as "...an up-tempo, skills style of play"

Getting the puck low, not constantly cycling at the point.  Trying to make things happen.

I'm not saying they're good at it, just that it's better than Let's Play Look For The Perfect Shot Until Somebody Stick Checks The Puck Away.

Trotsky

Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: Cornell95Confused by your reply, as I dont see an offense that seems to prioritize jam attempts from the side of the goal as "...an up-tempo, skills style of play"

I've been beating this drum a lot, but I think what's happened is that we don't clear space in front of the net and defenses collapse. Those jam attempts are looking to make one more pass to an open guy on the doorstep, but there's no one open because there are three defenders there.
Seems to me this style lives or dies by how well Max is playing and the second half he disappeared.

As an example of when it can work, think of the times Psenicka held the puck at his freakish arm's length, muscled in, and either got it to Berard who "could maneuver in a phone booth" or got it on net himself.

When those happen they are quality chances.  They are also safe because even when the D wrestles it away, they've still got all of our guys between them and our goal -- there's no long rebound scooped by a cheating cherry picker.

marty

Quote from: TrotskySeems to me this style lives or dies by how well Max is playing and the second half he disappeared.

By what theory does the Ivy League not cause Andreev to disappear to some random grad program? Their logic in general is suspect but how can they make an exception to their "rules".
"When we came off, [Bitz] said, 'Thank God you scored that goal,'" Moulson said. "He would've killed me if I didn't."