PWR

Started by Trotsky, November 27, 2021, 11:10:52 PM

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Trotsky

With the BU win we move from 25 to 18.  Holy shit.

ugarte

Quote from: TrotskyWith the BU win we move from 25 to 18.  Holy shit.
i guess it pays to win in 60

BearLover

Cornell is functionally 5-1-3 and has a PWR weighted win% of 71% (this win% purports to adjust for home/road effects). Its nine opponents (counting Alaska twice) have a weighted win% of 29%. Outside of Alaska and BU, all of Cornell's opponents did not play hockey last year. Taken together, the above makes it feel like Cornell's position in the PWR, at #22, is a lot more justified than their position in the polls, at #10.

Most promising so far has been Cornell's ability to skate with the talent of Harvard and BU. Cornell was not obviously out-skilled in either of these matchups. But Cornell still has not played a good team that played hockey last season, so this Friday versus Clarkson will be by far their biggest test of the season.

Donaldson, Regush, and Leahy have not exactly torn it up at their new schools. Losing Galajda, though, feels like the difference between a team favored to make the NCAAs and a team favored to miss them. That is both a testament to Galajda (.943 sv% at Notre Dame) and the fact that goaltending is clearly the shakiest part of Cornell's roster.

I think a realistic goal is a top-4 ECAC seed. Nice job by the coaching staff to weather the storm of the lost season and resulting player defections. There's no reason why Cornell cannot be nationally competitive again in a couple of seasons. To the extent any of the players on the team have an extra year of eligibility (i.e., they took leaves of absences from their classes last year), that would help a lot.

ugarte

Quote from: BearLoverCornell is functionally 5-1-3 and has a PWR weighted win% of 71% (this win% purports to adjust for home/road effects). Its nine opponents (counting Alaska twice) have a weighted win% of 29%. Outside of Alaska and BU, all of Cornell's opponents did not play hockey last year. Taken together, the above makes it feel like Cornell's position in the PWR, at #22, is a lot more justified than their position in the polls, at #10.

Most promising so far has been Cornell's ability to skate with the talent of Harvard and BU. Cornell was not obviously out-skilled in either of these matchups. But Cornell still has not played a good team that played hockey last season, so this Friday versus Clarkson will be by far their biggest test of the season.

Donaldson, Regush, and Leahy have not exactly torn it up at their new schools. Losing Galajda, though, feels like the difference between a team favored to make the NCAAs and a team favored to miss them. That is both a testament to Galajda (.943 sv% at Notre Dame) and the fact that goaltending is clearly the shakiest part of Cornell's roster.

I think a realistic goal is a top-4 ECAC seed. Nice job by the coaching staff to weather the storm of the lost season and resulting player defections. There's no reason why Cornell cannot be nationally competitive again in a couple of seasons. To the extent any of the players on the team have an extra year of eligibility (i.e., they took leaves of absences from their classes last year), that would help a lot.
i agree with all of this, though Leahy with 4 points in 6 games and a +5 on a 1-4-1 Vermont team seems pretty good tbh.

Robb

At this point, I would be extremely disappointed to finish behind any team not named Q (gag), Clarkson, or Harvard.  None of the other teams look poised to grab that last first-round bye.  

That said - long ways to go.
Let's Go RED!

upprdeck

no idea on how Clarkson is

losing to STL/Union/RPI

splitting with Alaska/MTech

beating Wisc

ties with Quin/Canisius/Wisc

Still probably on the road the next test we need to pass..

Not as worried about the Goalies as the sloppy D in our own end on plays we have under control.   The goalies seem to making save 1 pretty well so far.

Trotsky

Quote from: upprdeckNot as worried about the Goalies as the sloppy D in our own end on plays we have under control.   The goalies seem to making save 1 pretty well so far.
I'm hopeful the defensive hijinks are a young team learning to play together.  OTOH all four lines have just stepped into a rhythm together which is amazing and is either (1) blind luck, (2) incredible coaching, or (3) a demonstration that we have played crappy teams so far which will be summarily destroyed by North Dakota and Q.

adamw

Quote from: upprdeckno idea on how Clarkson is

losing to STL/Union/RPI

splitting with Alaska/MTech

beating Wisc

ties with Quin/Canisius/Wisc

Still probably on the road the next test we need to pass..

Not as worried about the Goalies as the sloppy D in our own end on plays we have under control.   The goalies seem to making save 1 pretty well so far.

I wouldn't include Wisconsin on any list of impressive accomplishments. They are flat out terrible.
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scoop85

Quote from: adamw
Quote from: upprdeckno idea on how Clarkson is

losing to STL/Union/RPI

splitting with Alaska/MTech

beating Wisc

ties with Quin/Canisius/Wisc

Still probably on the road the next test we need to pass..

Not as worried about the Goalies as the sloppy D in our own end on plays we have under control.   The goalies seem to making save 1 pretty well so far.

I wouldn't include Wisconsin on any list of impressive accomplishments. They are flat out terrible.

BU terrible or worse?

Trotsky

With tonight's win we are at 17.  Clarkson is 13.

Tomorrow night is... important.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: TrotskyWith tonight's win we are at 17.  Clarkson is 13.

Tomorrow night is... important.

When I looked at the PWR immediately after the game, we were at 18 and Bemidji was at 17.  Something happened soon thereafter, and we moved up to 17.

However, Bemidji is still playing and is up 4-0.  They're going to move back past us when their game ends.

That said, tomorrow is yuge.

Dafatone

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82
Quote from: TrotskyWith tonight's win we are at 17.  Clarkson is 13.

Tomorrow night is... important.

When I looked at the PWR immediately after the game, we were at 18 and Bemidji was at 17.  Something happened soon thereafter, and we moved up to 17.

However, Bemidji is still playing and is up 4-0.  They're going to move back past us when their game ends.

That said, tomorrow is yuge.

In a weird way, games against top teams aren't that important for the pairwise. Like, your RPI is based on your record and your strength of schedule (and your strength of schedule's schedule). These factors are separate. Beating a good team and losing to a bad one is the same, roughly, as flipping those results.

Still a huge game for the conference and as a measuring stick.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82
Quote from: TrotskyWith tonight's win we are at 17.  Clarkson is 13.

Tomorrow night is... important.

When I looked at the PWR immediately after the game, we were at 18 and Bemidji was at 17.  Something happened soon thereafter, and we moved up to 17.

However, Bemidji is still playing and is up 4-0.  They're going to move back past us when their game ends.

That said, tomorrow is yuge.

In a weird way, games against top teams aren't that important for the pairwise. Like, your RPI is based on your record and your strength of schedule (and your strength of schedule's schedule). These factors are separate. Beating a good team and losing to a bad one is the same, roughly, as flipping those results.

Still a huge game for the conference and as a measuring stick.

Also remember that the record of a conference in games against each other is 0.500.  So all that matters is your record, the record of your out of conference opponents, and your conference's record against other conferences.  Everything else within the conference is a wash.

Dafatone

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82
Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82
Quote from: TrotskyWith tonight's win we are at 17.  Clarkson is 13.

Tomorrow night is... important.

When I looked at the PWR immediately after the game, we were at 18 and Bemidji was at 17.  Something happened soon thereafter, and we moved up to 17.

However, Bemidji is still playing and is up 4-0.  They're going to move back past us when their game ends.

That said, tomorrow is yuge.

In a weird way, games against top teams aren't that important for the pairwise. Like, your RPI is based on your record and your strength of schedule (and your strength of schedule's schedule). These factors are separate. Beating a good team and losing to a bad one is the same, roughly, as flipping those results.

Still a huge game for the conference and as a measuring stick.

Also remember that the record of a conference in games against each other is 0.500.  So all that matters is your record, the record of your out of conference opponents, and your conference's record against other conferences.  Everything else within the conference is a wash.

Good point. Thrown slightly off kilter by the playoffs, where we might play certain teams more than others, and the in-conference success of those teams becomes a factor.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82
Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82
Quote from: TrotskyWith tonight's win we are at 17.  Clarkson is 13.

Tomorrow night is... important.

When I looked at the PWR immediately after the game, we were at 18 and Bemidji was at 17.  Something happened soon thereafter, and we moved up to 17.

However, Bemidji is still playing and is up 4-0.  They're going to move back past us when their game ends.

That said, tomorrow is yuge.

In a weird way, games against top teams aren't that important for the pairwise. Like, your RPI is based on your record and your strength of schedule (and your strength of schedule's schedule). These factors are separate. Beating a good team and losing to a bad one is the same, roughly, as flipping those results.

Still a huge game for the conference and as a measuring stick.

Also remember that the record of a conference in games against each other is 0.500.  So all that matters is your record, the record of your out of conference opponents, and your conference's record against other conferences.  Everything else within the conference is a wash.

Good point. Thrown slightly off kilter by the playoffs, where we might play certain teams more than others, and the in-conference success of those teams becomes a factor.

Agreed.  I should have clarified "regular season" record of a conference.