Lynah now at full capacity

[jtwcornell91]

Decent attendance. So does that count as a win or a tie for pairwise stuff?

What was the score?  None of the uscho or CHN pages are showing it.

3-2 in OT. Counts as .55% of a win in Pairwise

Damn. And here I was thinking "well we escaped with the win and that's all that matters" and then I guess we only sorta did but also kinda didn't.

.55% win would really be bad. :-P In the ECAC it counts as 2 points while a regulation win is 3. https://www.ecachockey.com/men/2021-22/OT_Formats_Point_Structures.pdf

Right, that's the way the IIHF has been doing it for a few years (before 3x3 actually). Dunno why the NCAA decided to devalue OT wins so much.

[Al DeFlorio]

Decent attendance. So does that count as a win or a tie for pairwise stuff?

What was the score?  None of the uscho or CHN pages are showing it.

3-2 in OT. Counts as .55% of a win in Pairwise

Did Samuel Beckett dream this nonsense up?  Just play a five skaters on a side, sudden death overtime for ten minutes, and you either get a deserving winner or a deserved tie.  No gimmicks.  Just real hockey. Worked fine for a lot of years.  And everybody understood it.

[George64]

Did Samuel Beckett dream this nonsense up?  Just play a five skaters on a side, sudden death overtime for ten minutes, and you either get a deserving winner or a deserved tie.  No gimmicks.  Just real hockey. Worked fine for a lot of years.  And everybody understood it.

Agreed!

[ursusminor]

Decent attendance. So does that count as a win or a tie for pairwise stuff?

What was the score?  None of the uscho or CHN pages are showing it.

3-2 in OT. Counts as .55% of a win in Pairwise

Damn. And here I was thinking "well we escaped with the win and that's all that matters" and then I guess we only sorta did but also kinda didn't.

.55% win would really be bad. :-P In the ECAC it counts as 2 points while a regulation win is 3. https://www.ecachockey.com/men/2021-22/OT_Formats_Point_Structures.pdf

Right, that's the way the IIHF has been doing it for a few years (before 3x3 actually). Dunno why the NCAA decided to devalue OT wins so much.

When a game is tied after regulation, each team gets 45% of a win, so they are competing for 10% of a win in OT. It hardly seems worth the effort. At this moment RPI has a .733 winning percentage and sits #8 in PWR. That includes two OT losses contributing in total 90% of a win.

[nshapiro]

Rk   Team   PCWs   RPI   Rk   QWB-†   W-L-T   PwWin %   Wgtd Win % - ‡
40   Cornell   16   .4315   40   .0000   1-0-0   .5500   .4490

looks freakin' stupid!

[Dafatone]

What does it count as for RPI? The pairwise is practically just RPI with the occasional wrinkle. Looks like a tie to me, or maybe the same 55% stuff.

[marty]

What does it count as for RPI? The pairwise is practically just RPI with the occasional wrinkle. Looks like a tie to me, or maybe the same 55% stuff.

Good fodder for JTW's students, but not so much for my vintage brain.

[upprdeck]

why does it count less anyway. its still a win..   does they devalue a win if you score in the last min with a 5x3 advantage goal?

[Weder]

What does it count as for RPI? The pairwise is practically just RPI with the occasional wrinkle. Looks like a tie to me, or maybe the same 55% stuff.

It's 55% of a win. (And shootout wins will be 50% of a win.)
https://cornellbigred.com/news/2021/10/28/mens-ice-hockey-off-the-crossbar-the-big-change-you-haven-t-seen-yet.aspx

[Dafatone]

why does it count less anyway. its still a win..   does they devalue a win if you score in the last min with a 5x3 advantage goal?

I go the other way. 3x3 hockey is way too gimmicky for my tastes. Ditch it or calling a tie regardless of outcome.

[upprdeck]

You go 3x3 to try and remove most of the ties.. no different than soccer deciding that a play at midfield wouldnt even be worthy of a card but in the penalty area is worth a PK that often decides a game. Some things are dumb in all sports. They could also go 5x5 for 5 min then 4x4 for 5 min then 3x3 or something..   But if you create a rule that makes a winner you shouldnt be giving them the same 2 pts but devaluing it in other places. If thats the case then they should be going to 3-2-1 win/Ot/Tie or something.

[Al DeFlorio]

You go 3x3 to try and remove most of the ties.. no different than soccer deciding that a play at midfield wouldnt even be worthy of a card but in the penalty area is worth a PK that often decides a game. Some things are dumb in all sports. They could also go 5x5 for 5 min then 4x4 for 5 min then 3x3 or something..   But if you create a rule that makes a winner you shouldnt be giving them the same 2 pts but devaluing it in other places. If thats the case then they should be going to 3-2-1 win/Ot/Tie or something.

You should remove the tie by playing the same game with the same rules that resulted in the tie, not some bastardized version of it.  If the tie stands up, so what?  It's the fair outcome.  2/1/0 still the best.

[CU2007]

In light of all this, an OT win against a bad team feels basically like a loss (and is somewhat reflected as such in the all-important RPI). Oh well, just need a win tonight to call it an OK weekend.

[Scersk '97]

I can't believe football gets top billing over hockey.

Neither can I.

My freshman year, the away Penn weekend coincided with the home Harvard/Brown weekend. So...

We stayed for the hockey game on Friday, had a party, climbed on a bus for an overnight road trip (brief sleep was allowed) to Philadelphia, played a breakfast gig, marched, left after halftime, and made it back before the beginning of the second period of the Brown game. This was back when losing in football was not a given and Brown's hockey team was pretty good. So, we hustled all over to see three losses that weekend.

But it was glorious.

(We also did this with all away games my senior year: Brown hockey, Yale football, Harvard hockey. The very next weekend, we did the same shuffle as above with Vermont (home) hockey, Columbia (away) football, and Dartmouth (home) hockey. IIRC, there was a skeleton band for the Dartmouth game and then we returners showed up for the third. If we hadn't put together that crazy schedule, I would have missed one of my cherished memories from Lynah: a disconsolate Tim Thomas breaking his stick over the cage after we beat their #1-ranked team. Which reminds me of Lake Placid that year: [repeatedly, to the Vermont fans cheering against us] "Where is your team?! Clap-clap-clapclapclap."

(I am also proud to mention that we were, as far as I know, the first four-year group of pep bandies to make trips to every ECAC road rink during our four years. Dartmouth-Vermont, I believe, had been the missing link for many, and we had done the at the time horrid Yale-Princeton trip my freshman year. We made Harvard-Brown, Clarkson-SLU, RPI-Union, and Colgate most every year. And, indeed, the Harvard, Brown, RPI, Colgate, and Clarkson bands commonly visited Lynah. Good times.)

[Weder]

You go 3x3 to try and remove most of the ties.. no different than soccer deciding that a play at midfield wouldnt even be worthy of a card but in the penalty area is worth a PK that often decides a game. Some things are dumb in all sports. They could also go 5x5 for 5 min then 4x4 for 5 min then 3x3 or something..   But if you create a rule that makes a winner you shouldnt be giving them the same 2 pts but devaluing it in other places. If thats the case then they should be going to 3-2-1 win/Ot/Tie or something.

You should remove the tie by playing the same game with the same rules that resulted in the tie, not some bastardized version of it.  If the tie stands up, so what?  It's the fair outcome.  2/1/0 still the best.

Sudden death is not playing by the same rules, though. Should it be like soccer where you play the full extra period?