Attendance policies in ECAC

[dbilmes]

Quinnipiac just sent out an email tonight announcing that single-game hockey tickets will go on sale Sept. 13. It says spectators, regardless of vaccination status, will be required to have masks on at all times at indoor events. No restrictions, though, on who can buy tickets.
Yale hasn't made any announcements yet for winter sports. For fall sports, only fully vaccinated members of the Yale community are allowed to attend indoor sporting events, such as volleyball.

[French Rage]

As if hockey purists weren't upset enough about full masks in college hockey!

[upprdeck]

I have a feeling cornell will do the same for hockey just because the kids testing is going so poorly .

[Troyfan]

Why are vaccinated people required to wear masks?  Doesn't the shot prevent the virus from entering cells and replicating?  The vaccinated shouldn't have viruses to spread except for what they may have just inhaled.

[Dafatone]

Why are vaccinated people required to wear masks?  Doesn't the shot prevent the virus from entering cells and replicating?  The vaccinated shouldn't have viruses to spread except for what they may have just inhaled.

Vaccinated people can still carry and spread the virus. They're less likely to do so than the unvaccinated and they're much less likely to get badly sick.

Also, once you open the door to you don't have to wear a mask if you're vaxxed, mask enforcement becomes 1000 times tougher.

[Trotsky]

Also, once you open the door to you don't have to wear a mask if you're vaxxed, mask enforcement becomes 1000 times tougher.

It becomes Security Theater.

[redice]

Just let us in the rinks!!   I'll be happy to wear a mask, if that's what they deem necessary.  Just let us in!!!

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Also, once you open the door to you don't have to wear a mask if you're vaxxed, mask enforcement becomes 1000 times tougher.

It becomes Security Theater.

Too late.  Already is.

[jtwcornell91]

Why are vaccinated people required to wear masks?  Doesn't the shot prevent the virus from entering cells and replicating?  The vaccinated shouldn't have viruses to spread except for what they may have just inhaled.

Vaccinated people can still carry and spread the virus. They're less likely to do so than the unvaccinated and they're much less likely to get badly sick.

Right, each layer of protection (vaccination, masking, ventilation, distance) reduces the spread.

Also, once you open the door to you don't have to wear a mask if you're vaxxed, mask enforcement becomes 1000 times tougher.

That was what the CDC did with their recommendation about unmasking earlier this year.

[billhoward]

I flew to Munich, then back, in an every-seat-booked 767. Everyone had to have a negative test dated < 48 hours before, <72 if it's the better PCR test. I'm still glad everyone was masked. You could still be a carrier w/o being infected. I've had 3 tests for the one-week trip.

Elsewhere you'll see Cornell is cutting Homecoming 2021 to the ... football game. No mega tailgate, no fireworks, both of which outdraw the game. Cornell had a good safety record a year ago, now it's average or below for a university. Cornell is pushing some of the blame out to the Greeks although calling the likely triggers "large social gatherings." That may be true. But as the daughter of a classmate wrote ~5 years ago in The Daily Sun, the Greeks get blamed and/or busted more frequently than GDIs because campus police know where they live and who to blame.

[Trotsky]

the Greeks get blamed and/or busted more frequently than GDIs because campus police know where they live and who to blame.

Counterpoint: Oh, please.  Fuck the frats.

[Scersk '97]

the Greeks get blamed and/or busted more frequently than GDIs because campus police know where they live and who to blame.

Counterpoint: Oh, please.  Fuck the frats.

Counter-counterpoint: The administration dropped the ball by:

• not requiring arrival testing for fully-vaccinated students,
• testing fully-vaccinated individuals anyway as part of survelliance testing and being shocked—SHOCKED—to find cases,
• blaming those cases on students instead of the bungled move-in,
• scheduling Homecoming and the Class of '20 "celebration" for the same weekend,
• trying briefly to impose an outdoor mask mandate during the heat of the summer that was flagrantly anti-science and bound to create apathy and resistance,
• not imposing a vaccination mandate on staff as early as possible,
• not going hammer and tongs at people trying to claim religious objections,
• and a great many other things.

What I've seen is we've gone from leader of the pack to heading towards dunce in fighting COVID in a rational manner. I'm not amused.

[upprdeck]

at the Dome Sat..  no masks at all for the most part.  faculty is pissed.  

they are testing thru the roof the last 10 days. They were at 30 cases and Cornell was in the low 100s'  now 7 days later they are at 150 and cornell is still at 113..

after the student turn out at the game and the lack of masks it will be interesting to see where they go.

[dbilmes]

Princeton sent out an email today about its winter sports events. Tickets are available to the public, but attendees must be fully vaccinated (at least two weeks out from final dose) and have to wear a mask over mouth and nose at all times at indoor events. Similar to Yale's policy.Children under 12 may not enter any campus buildings or attend any indoor events.

[Jim Hyla]

I flew to Munich, then back, in an every-seat-booked 767. Everyone had to have a negative test dated < 48 hours before, <72 if it's the better PCR test. I'm still glad everyone was masked. You could still be a carrier w/o being infected. I've had 3 tests for the one-week trip.

I posted this on the Alumni thread.

Vax rate is nice to know, but since people vax'd can still get the virus and can transmit the virus, knowing the prevalence of Covid is crucial. If Covid was nonexistent in the community, who cares about whether the person next to you is vax'd. But if it's rampant, the vax'd person next to you could be infected and give it to you.

That's why some virologists and public health experts feel the Rapid Test is so valuable. Unlike the PCR test it won't pick up the person with small amounts of virus. However it's very good at picking up people with enough virus in their oral-nasal pharynx to be transmissible.

If you have a negative test, you're not transmissible for at least 6-10 hours. Use of the rapid test is probably the best way to be sure large gatherings are safe.

The PCR is not a "better" test. Great for finding out if you have Covid, but the Rapid test is better for finding out if the person next to you has enough virus to infect you. However doing a Rapid test 48 hours before lift-off is worthless. You could easily have a small amount of undetectable virus 48 hours ago, which is now at a volume to infect your seatmate. Rapid testing right before you enter the terminal would probably be the best.