Opponents and Others, 2021-22

[adamw]

Per USCHO, Lindenwood to DI for 22-23 after a wild palace intrigue that included the AD either quitting or getting fired.

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/03/15_Former-Lindenwood-AD-Clears.php

[billhoward]

Lindenwood University is a private university in St. Charles, Missouri. Founded in 1827 by George Champlin Sibley and Mary Easton Sibley as The Lindenwood School for Girls, it is the second-oldest higher-education institution west of the Mississippi River.

St. Louis suburb
92% admit rate, 28% yield
17K cost to average students
65% female
5,000 undergrads
The drone view of campus made it look like they spray a lot of fertilizer and they're on a large body of water. Correction, there's a pond. The Missouri River is a mile away.

Is Lindenwood University a party school?
This is not a party school whatsoever, there are a lot of strict rules that are really outdated and dumb.

[Jim Hyla]

Per USCHO, Lindenwood to DI for 22-23 after a wild palace intrigue that included the AD either quitting or getting fired.

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/03/15_Former-Lindenwood-AD-Clears.php

Wow, an executive is reported to have been fired, but he tells another reporter that he resigned to spend more time with his family.

Let me see, where have I heard that before!

Since I have no knowledge of the truth, given the choice of a reporter getting information that someone was fired versus the exec saying he retired, hmm, I'll go with fired.

[Trotsky]

RS finishes of conference finalists:

Code Select Expand

AHA  1 6
B10  1 2
CCHA 1 3
ECAC 1 3
HEA  2 4
NCHC 3 5


[Iceberg]

Some kind of bizarre situation with Mankato/Bemidji. OT goal awarded that turns out to not be a goal and the teams have already left the arena after Mankato was crowned as the CCHA conference tournament winner. Game will continue in OT at some point

[Trotsky]

Some kind of bizarre situation with Mankato/Bemidji. OT goal awarded that turns out to not be a goal and the teams have already left the arena after Mankato was crowned as the CCHA conference tournament winner. Game will continue in OT at some point

I guess the Mavs eventually won again.

[jtwcornell91]

Some kind of bizarre situation with Mankato/Bemidji. OT goal awarded that turns out to not be a goal and the teams have already left the arena after Mankato was crowned as the CCHA conference tournament winner. Game will continue in OT at some point

I guess the Mavs eventually won again.

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/03/20_Madness-in-Mankato-Had-Entire.php

This is really the reductio ad absurdum of this video replay business.  The refs had reviewed the goal, allowed it, the game was over and the trophy had even been awarded.  Then the commissioner of the league, after having been shown the replay by the coach who saw it in social media, told the refs to review it again, and they waved off the goal and restarted the game.  Even though the initial call (and initial replay) was "wrong", at some point you have to acknowledge the call has been made.

Apparently this violated two different rules (no review after the officials leave the ice, and no protests).  Even in baseball, which allows games to be played under protest and decided by the league later, this isn't the sort of thing that can be the subject of a protest.

[George64]

Some kind of bizarre situation with Mankato/Bemidji. OT goal awarded that turns out to not be a goal and the teams have already left the arena after Mankato was crowned as the CCHA conference tournament winner. Game will continue in OT at some point

I guess the Mavs eventually won again.

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/03/20_Madness-in-Mankato-Had-Entire.php

This is really the reductio ad absurdum of this video replay business.  The refs had reviewed the goal, allowed it, the game was over and the trophy had even been awarded.  Then the commissioner of the league, after having been shown the replay by the coach who saw it in social media, told the refs to review it again, and they waved off the goal and restarted the game.  Even though the initial call (and initial replay) was "wrong", at some point you have to acknowledge the call has been made.

Apparently this violated two different rules (no review after the officials leave the ice, and no protests).  Even in baseball, which allows games to be played under protest and decided by the league later, this isn't the sort of thing that can be the subject of a protest.

In general, video replays are getting totally out-of-hand. I watched some of the NCAA wrestling championships, mostly to see Yianni and Arujua. In another match, a coach threw in the "brick."  The protest was subsequently disallowed, but not before his wrestler got some badly needed rest.

Returning to hockey, with two referees, they should be able to get penalties right without review. I would, however, like to see a requirement for all NCAA rinks to have high-resolution overhead cameras.
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[redice]

Some kind of bizarre situation with Mankato/Bemidji. OT goal awarded that turns out to not be a goal and the teams have already left the arena after Mankato was crowned as the CCHA conference tournament winner. Game will continue in OT at some point

I guess the Mavs eventually won again.

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2022/03/20_Madness-in-Mankato-Had-Entire.php

This is really the reductio ad absurdum of this video replay business.  The refs had reviewed the goal, allowed it, the game was over and the trophy had even been awarded.  Then the commissioner of the league, after having been shown the replay by the coach who saw it in social media, told the refs to review it again, and they waved off the goal and restarted the game.  Even though the initial call (and initial replay) was "wrong", at some point you have to acknowledge the call has been made.

Apparently this violated two different rules (no review after the officials leave the ice, and no protests).  Even in baseball, which allows games to be played under protest and decided by the league later, this isn't the sort of thing that can be the subject of a protest.

In general, video replays are getting totally out-of-hand......

Agreed!  The immeasurable with all of the review-abuse is the effects of the time spent reviewing all of these calls.    That time spent, with the players just standing around waiting, can & often does change the momentum of a game.   They have to cut this down profoundly!

[Trotsky]

I am perfectly fine with the following:

1. Have all the cameras you want.
2. No replays ever during the event, at stadium or on any sponsored media.
3. All decisions made real time, no review, as if the tech did not exist.  Time cannot move backwards or freeze.
4. Review embargo ends 24 hours after the event ends.
5. No appeals.

Restore the enjoyment of the sport in the moment.  Stop taking it seriously.  Refs will fuck up; whatever.

The experience of the flow of the sport is more important than optimizing rulings.  If you botch a line during a play you keep going.

[Jim Hyla]

So does this mean none of you would have reviewed the fifth down?

Frankly I'm happy with what they did. It takes it out of the hand of the other team admitting that they won illegally and then trying to figure out  way to correct it.

[Give My Regards]

So does this mean none of you would have reviewed the fifth down?

I wouldn't have reversed it a freakin' hour after everyone left.

Frankly I'm happy with what they did. It takes it out of the hand of the other team admitting that they won illegally and then trying to figure out  way to correct it.

I've more or less made my peace with replay reviews, but there needs to be a time limit.  Frankly, I thought there was.  Look at the video for, say, two minutes.  If there's not "incontrovertible evidence" of a mistake, the play stands, period, full stop, that's it.  If you want to protest a bad call after the game is over, go for it.  But after the final buzzer sounds, that's all it is, a protest.  I'd be willing to bet that, when the Bemidji State coach showed the league commissioner the video of the erroneous call, he wasn't really expecting the commish to say "Wow, you're right.  Let's get the teams back out on the ice now!"

[Trotsky]

So does this mean none of you would have reviewed the fifth down?

Frankly I'm happy with what they did. It takes it out of the hand of the other team admitting that they won illegally and then trying to figure out  way to correct it.

You can review it, after 24 hours.

If I am Bob Kane, after I get evidence of the screw up, I forfeit.  That way you can have a game being experienced in realtime as a game, and the heroic act that proves we're better than everybody else.

[Give My Regards]

So does this mean none of you would have reviewed the fifth down?

I wouldn't have reversed it a freakin' hour after everyone left.

Gad -- sorry, I just realized that answer didn't make any sense.  Yes, I'm OK with the decision to give up the win in the fifth down game.  I would not have been OK with the Ivy League commissioner stepping in after the game ended and declaring that Cornell must give up the win.  Which is sort of what commissioner Lucia did.

(Reportedly, the Ivy League commissioner at the time took note of the serious amount of abuse the fifth-down referee was getting in the days after that game, and sent him a telegram which read, "Don't let it get you down.  Down.  Down.  Down.  Down." )

[Jim Hyla]

So does this mean none of you would have reviewed the fifth down?

Frankly I'm happy with what they did. It takes it out of the hand of the other team admitting that they won illegally and then trying to figure out  way to correct it.

You can review it, after 24 hours.

If I am Bob Kane, after I get evidence of the screw up, I forfeit.  That way you can have a game being experienced in realtime as a game, and the heroic act that proves we're better than everybody else.

But what would you have done in this game? After 24hours it's a tie?