Cornell Football 2021

Started by dbilmes, August 17, 2021, 09:00:09 AM

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CAS


Ken711

Quote from: CASThis darkness got to give!

It will once Archer is let go.

ugarte

lol cornell with a nice (penalty-aided) drive to pull within 6 with 1:15 remaining but Yale scoops the onside kick and runs it in

Al DeFlorio

Yale returned a late onside kick for a touchdown in 2019.  You'd think we'd learn how to prevent that.  There must be a freshman QB who can pass better than Kenney.  Put him in.  Give him experience.  We lose anyway.
Al DeFlorio '65

Ken711

David Archer era to date;  19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %) ::cry::

George64

Quote from: Ken711David Archer era to date;  19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %) ::cry::

Next opponent, Bucknell, has scored 9 points in three games, so there's a chance for a win.  Meanwhile, men's soccer, elsewhere known as football, beat Marist 5-1. They're now 5-1-1.

ugarte

Quote from: George64
Quote from: Ken711David Archer era to date;  19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %) ::cry::

Next opponent, Bucknell, has scored 9 points in three games, so there's a chance for a win.  Meanwhile, men's soccer, elsewhere known as football, beat Marist 5-1. They're now 5-1-1.
after the syracuse game, according to RPI, marist was by far the toughest remaining game on the schedule.

scoop85

Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: George64
Quote from: Ken711David Archer era to date;  19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %) ::cry::

Next opponent, Bucknell, has scored 9 points in three games, so there's a chance for a win.  Meanwhile, men's soccer, elsewhere known as football, beat Marist 5-1. They're now 5-1-1.
after the syracuse game, according to RPI, marist was by far the toughest remaining game on the schedule.

That may be so, but I think a few of the Ivies will be pretty good. Yale was the preseason favorite, and some other league teams have been pretty good in the early season.

For those lamenting the state of the (American) football program, what John Smith has done for the soccer program is Exhibit A in program building. When he came is 6 years ago the program was a train wreck, bereft of D1 talent. His 1st year the team won a single game. By year 2 the team was competitive, and by year 3 was a legitimate threat to win the league. He ramped up recruiting and installed an attacking, aggressive style that is enticing to high-end players and is a joy to watch. If Smith stays around we should be an upper division team for years to come.

billhoward

Quote from: Ken711David Archer era to date;  19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %) ::cry::
And 44 All-Ivy selections, as the ESPN Chiron overlaid when showing him on the sidelines. Plus he's getting closer each year to being the senior Ivy football coach.

That (sarcasm) aside, I want to believe Cornell sees Archer as the right coach for the long term.

CAS

Scoop, that's an excellent example of what's possible when a dynamic coach leads a moribund program.  Wish Andy (& his superiors) would pay heed.

Ken711

Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: Ken711David Archer era to date;  19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %) ::cry::
And 44 All-Ivy selections, as the ESPN Chiron overlaid when showing him on the sidelines. Plus he's getting closer each year to being the senior Ivy football coach.

That (sarcasm) aside, I want to believe Cornell sees Archer as the right coach for the long term.

Nine years heading the program where you can't win even 1/3 of the games played is a large enough sample size to say he ISN'T the right coach.

Trotsky

Quote from: Ken711David Archer era to date;  19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %) ::cry::
Well, you know, we play such a difficult schedule...

Jeff Hopkins '82

Quote from: George64
Quote from: Ken711David Archer era to date;  19-53 Overall (.263 winning %). 15-36 Ivy League (.294 winning %) ::cry::

Next opponent, Bucknell, has scored 9 points in three games, so there's a chance for a win.  Meanwhile, men's soccer, elsewhere known as football, beat Marist 5-1. They're now 5-1-1.

Wait.  I might actually get to see a win in person?

I'm not getting my hopes up.  It's Homecoming at Bucknell.

rss77

One looks back a bit and the only coaches who have sustained success were Maxie Baughan, Jack Musick, and some limited success with Jim Hofher. Baughan recruiting pretty but also go transfers from other programs like the late Tom McHale (Unfortunately a case study in advocating against football) and some others.  I would think that by looking at the transfer portal Archer might be able to upgrade the talent.  Thirty slots are a lot to fill every year for recruiting and recruiting against the Big Three along the structural limitations of the Ivies present their own challenges.  I mention the Big Three because the prestige in playing in front of a big crowd like "The Game" presents its own appeal. I would offer that Cornell football has no comparable rivalry (Cornell-Penn Thanksgiving rivalry back in the day yes but not currently).  My point being that there is a limited pool of athletes willing to take on the financial burdens and qualify academically for that many slots.  Cornell has gotten good talent over the years but enough quite enough athleticism to match that of some of the other top program within the Ivies.  In my fantasies I wish that the the Ivies would allow athletic scholarships which might broaden the talent pool a bit and enable Cornell to compete.  That being said we currently have a coach who loves being at Cornell and the talent has improved a bit also from when he started.  The program is moving on to Bucknell and one would like to see Mayes get the starting qb position based on his performance.

Ken711

Quote from: rss77One looks back a bit and the only coaches who have sustained success were Maxie Baughan, Jack Musick, and some limited success with Jim Hofher. Baughan recruiting pretty but also go transfers from other programs like the late Tom McHale (Unfortunately a case study in advocating against football) and some others.  I would think that by looking at the transfer portal Archer might be able to upgrade the talent.  Thirty slots are a lot to fill every year for recruiting and recruiting against the Big Three along the structural limitations of the Ivies present their own challenges.  I mention the Big Three because the prestige in playing in front of a big crowd like "The Game" presents its own appeal. I would offer that Cornell football has no comparable rivalry (Cornell-Penn Thanksgiving rivalry back in the day yes but not currently).  My point being that there is a limited pool of athletes willing to take on the financial burdens and qualify academically for that many slots.  Cornell has gotten good talent over the years but enough quite enough athleticism to match that of some of the other top program within the Ivies.  In my fantasies I wish that the the Ivies would allow athletic scholarships which might broaden the talent pool a bit and enable Cornell to compete.  That being said we currently have a coach who loves being at Cornell and the talent has improved a bit also from when he started.  The program is moving on to Bucknell and one would like to see Mayes get the starting qb position based on his performance.

I get your point but Dartmouth isn't in the Big Three, and doesn't really have a great rivalry, yet they seem to have been able to maintain a winning program.