Cornell Football 2021

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Swampy

Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches.  Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring?  Look at lacrosse:  Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek.  Add Koll to Grey in 2021.  And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012.  All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

Why change what works?

billhoward

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches.  Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring?  Look at lacrosse:  Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek.  Add Koll to Grey in 2021.  And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012.  All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
Why change what works?
It seems increasingly necessary to have a sarcasm font on Facebook so as to not be misunderstood. Although the same post with no S-font, "You may be right," can be read two ways. Here, among this collegium of friends, most find a wink-wink-get-it treatment unnecessary. Only a few posts further back, I pondered for a minute and realized "What's a new AD" was made clear from context and introspection.

nshapiro

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches.  Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring?  Look at lacrosse:  Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek.  Add Koll to Grey in 2021.  And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012.  All elevated from the then current coaching staff.
Why change what works?
It seems increasingly necessary to have a sarcasm font on Facebook so as to not be misunderstood. Although the same post with no S-font, "You may be right," can be read two ways. Here, among this collegium of friends, most find a wink-wink-get-it treatment unnecessary. Only a few posts further back, I pondered for a minute and realized "What's a new AD" was made clear from context and introspection.
I think that post was clear since the quotes were around the phrase "new AD", not just around AD
When Section D was the place to be

upprdeck

Quote from: Cop at LynahJust look what they've allowed at the golf course.  Take a gem and turn it into a third rate facility with lack of support in the form of maintenance budgets and hiring funds.

I'm pretty sure that case study is a microcosm of the entire department

No one has any idea whats going on that golf course.. the big project has again come to a halt. They cut about 10% of the trees and not much else.. no bunker work to be seen.

Cop at Lynah

My understanding is that drainage work and tree removal in 2022 and bunker replacement 2023.  Hoping for the best because the course really is a gem that just needs to be rehabbed back to its former self

upprdeck

hopefully.. I was told tree work would be done by winter and bunker work started in the fall but that never happened.

CU2007

Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches.  Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring?  Look at lacrosse:  Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek.  Add Koll to Grey in 2021.  And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012.  All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Swampy

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches.  Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring?  Look at lacrosse:  Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek.  Add Koll to Grey in 2021.  And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012.  All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell's football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell's basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.

jtwcornell91

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches.  Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring?  Look at lacrosse:  Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek.  Add Koll to Grey in 2021.  And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012.  All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC.

Are you sure you wouldn't want to try to lure Casey away from Clarkson?

Trotsky

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches.  Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring?  Look at lacrosse:  Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek.  Add Koll to Grey in 2021.  And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012.  All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC.

Are you sure you wouldn't want to try to lure Casey away from Clarkson?

IINM Ben is 9-0-2.  That's better than Harkness.

RichH

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches.  Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring?  Look at lacrosse:  Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek.  Add Koll to Grey in 2021.  And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012.  All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC.

Are you sure you wouldn't want to try to lure Casey away from Clarkson?

IINM Ben is 9-0-2.  That's better than Harkness.

Both seem to be very strong in the recruiting game. At this point, I'd rather have Syer just to not have a big discontinuity.

Oops, football thread. Andy Noel is garbage, and I've known that since he was given the job for lyfe.

CU2007

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches.  Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring?  Look at lacrosse:  Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek.  Add Koll to Grey in 2021.  And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012.  All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell's football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell's basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.

That is fair. I should have qualified that that are often worthy internal candidates.

Ken711

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches.  Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring?  Look at lacrosse:  Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek.  Add Koll to Grey in 2021.  And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012.  All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell's football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell's basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.

That is fair. I should have qualified that that are often worthy internal candidates.

Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.

Trotsky

Quote from: TrotskyIINM Ben is 9-0-2.

9-1-2

Swampy

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Quote from: Al DeFlorioNoel appears to be averse to searches.  Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring?  Look at lacrosse:  Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek.  Add Koll to Grey in 2021.  And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012.  All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC.

Are you sure you wouldn't want to try to lure Casey away from Clarkson?

#1: Casey comes from Cornell Hockey, so he's not exactly an outsider.
#2: My point is that hiring a coach from a successful in-house program is not the same as hiring from a perpetual in-house doormat. But a proven coach from an outside powerhouse might be good for a doormat program or a marquee program.