Cornell Football 2021

[Al DeFlorio]

Noel appears to be averse to searches.  Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring?  Look at lacrosse:  Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek.  Add Koll to Grey in 2021.  And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012.  All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell's football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell's basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.

That is fair. I should have qualified that that are often worthy internal candidates.

Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.

My point was that Noel seems to take the easy way out.  Surely, in at least one or likely more of these coaching change situations a national search could and should have been done to see whom else it would have turned up.  If the inside candidate was in fact the best choice after doing the search, then so be it.  But the fact that he never bothered to look outside the program, in situation after situation, tells me nothing will happen with football on his watch.

[Swampy]

Noel appears to be averse to searches.  Has a search been done for a major sport head coach since Brian Earl's hiring?  Look at lacrosse:  Pietramala to Tambroni to DeLuca to Kerwick to Milliman to Buczek.  Add Koll to Grey in 2021.  And, of course: Austin to Archer in 2012.  All elevated from the then current coaching staff.

If you truly don't care if you're making the best hire available, it saves a lot of money and effort to just promote someone off of the current staff. Sad but true

Not to disagree, but part of hiring from within depends on the strength of the existing program. We've done pretty well hiring off the existing lacrosse staff, and if Mike Schafer were to leave, I'd be heartbroken but have no problem with Ben Syer being the new HC. But part of what it takes to become a good coach is to be exposed to good coaches by being part of a very successful program, either as a player, or as an assistant, and preferably both. This why internal hiring from Cornell's football program is really rolling the dice and likely to fail and probably why hiring Brian Earl was probably better than hiring someone from within Cornell's basketball program, despite the relatively short-lived success under Steve Donahue.

That is fair. I should have qualified that that are often worthy internal candidates.

Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.

My point was that Noel seems to take the easy way out.  Surely, in at least one or likely more of these coaching change situations a national search could and should have been done to see whom else it would have turned up.  If the inside candidate was in fact the best choice after doing the search, then so be it.  But the fact that he never bothered to look outside the program, in situation after situation, tells me nothing will happen with football on his watch.

You make a good point. I have to agree.

[billhoward]

Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.

Be great to hire alumni coaches and/or promote from within. It helps to hire someone who was in the Cornell program as a player or assistant, got experience in at least one additional program, before become a Cornell HC. In hindsight -- really long hindsight, like 40 years -- hiring a graduating senior (albeit 29 years old) to replace Ned Harkness rolled the dice. So it was hard for Dick Bertrand to succeed; he lasted a decade before departing. Shafer had ~4 years at Cornell as assistant, then 5 more at Western Michigan before returning home.

Meanwhile, get while, Mike.

[billhoward]

My point was that Noel seems to take the easy way out.  Surely, in at least one or likely more of these coaching change situations a national search could and should have been done to see whom else it would have turned up.  If the inside candidate was in fact the best choice after doing the search, then so be it.  But the fact that he never bothered to look outside the program, in situation after situation, tells me nothing will happen with football on his watch.

As a 1972 college graduate, Andy Noel is 72 years old, give or take a year. If this is his last or next to last year, maybe it's better to let the successor replace anyone who's having mixed success in a major sport. The new guy -- quite possibly woman -- may have to find a successor for Mike Schafer, too. Which could well be Doug Darraugh '91, the way Gary Gait moved laterally to be Syracuse men's coach.

[Ken711]

Promoting from within a winning program such as hockey or lacrosse surely can and does work. Why you would promote from within a perpetually losing athletic program like Cornell football is totally mind boggling.

Be great to hire alumni coaches and/or promote from within. It helps to hire someone who was in the Cornell program as a player or assistant, got experience in at least one additional program, before become a Cornell HC. In hindsight -- really long hindsight, like 40 years -- hiring a graduating senior (albeit 29 years old) to replace Ned Harkness rolled the dice. So it was hard for Dick Bertrand to succeed; he lasted a decade before departing. Shafer had ~4 years at Cornell as assistant, then 5 more at Western Michigan before returning home.

Meanwhile, get while, Mike.

It's better to hire a coach that has at least experienced a winning record during his coaching career somewhere, then to just to offer up an alumnus.  Archer as an assistant, never coached on a team that finished with a winning record before being promoted to HC.

[David Harding]

The Class of '72 has invited the decade of the 70's to

https://cornelluniversity.imodules.com/s/1717/cc/class.aspx?sid=1717&gid=7&pgid=614

[Trotsky]

Strictly being devil's advocate, could Archer bring something as coach that is considered more important than winning?  For example does he have a splendid record with graduation percentage and grade point?  Is he doing things the players and their families consider as being of greater value than being a powerhouse?

[scoop85]

Strictly being devil's advocate, could Archer bring something as coach that is considered more important than winning?  For example does he have a splendid record with graduation percentage and grade point?  Is he doing things the players and their families consider as being of greater value than being a powerhouse?

At an Ivy I think it's a given that 90%+ of the athletes are going to graduate and be decent students, so I doubt he'd get much, if any, of a bonus in his evaluation for that.

[CU2007]

Strictly being devil's advocate, could Archer bring something as coach that is considered more important than winning?  For example does he have a splendid record with graduation percentage and grade point?  Is he doing things the players and their families consider as being of greater value than being a powerhouse?

At an Ivy I think it's a given that 90%+ of the athletes are going to graduate and be decent students, so I doubt he'd get much, if any, of a bonus in his evaluation for that.

And most would settle for "competitive" or "not embarassing" as opposed to a powerhouse. Baby steps and all that.

[Ken711]

Strictly being devil's advocate, could Archer bring something as coach that is considered more important than winning?  For example does he have a splendid record with graduation percentage and grade point?  Is he doing things the players and their families consider as being of greater value than being a powerhouse?

At an Ivy I think it's a given that 90%+ of the athletes are going to graduate and be decent students, so I doubt he'd get much, if any, of a bonus in his evaluation for that.

And most would settle for "competitive" or "not embarassing" as opposed to a powerhouse. Baby steps and all that.

Cornell football and the term "powerhouse"?  Just finishing one season with a .500 or better record would be nice, but is pretty doubtful with this staff.

[Ken711]

The Class of '72 has invited the decade of the 70's to

https://cornelluniversity.imodules.com/s/1717/cc/class.aspx?sid=1717&gid=7&pgid=614

Is going to even mention the state of the Cornell football program?  How about the progress on the indoor practice facility?  His retirement (hopeful)?

[Weder]

The sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)

https://ithacavoice.com/2022/02/tight-on-space-cornell-plans-modular-athletics-facility/

[Ken711]

The sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)

https://ithacavoice.com/2022/02/tight-on-space-cornell-plans-modular-athletics-facility/

The long range plan is to build new locker spaces, and perhaps a weight room under what will be new West Stands.

[Swampy]

The sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)

https://ithacavoice.com/2022/02/tight-on-space-cornell-plans-modular-athletics-facility/

New electric, water, sewer and computer systems utilities would also be installed to service the structure, which sounds like it will be "long-term temporary" at the very least. New lighting and landscaping would also be placed.

"Long-term temporary," as in University Hall dormitories, which were built s temporary housing for incoming students on the GI Bill and coming back from WWII?

[Al DeFlorio]

The sprint football team is getting a new modular locker room near the marching band building. (The women's lacrosse team's locker room is moving to Schoellkopf from Lynah.)

https://ithacavoice.com/2022/02/tight-on-space-cornell-plans-modular-athletics-facility/

New electric, water, sewer and computer systems utilities would also be installed to service the structure, which sounds like it will be "long-term temporary" at the very least. New lighting and landscaping would also be placed.

"Long-term temporary," as in University Hall dormitories, which were built s temporary housing for incoming students on the GI Bill and coming back from WWII?

Built in 1953.  WWII must have lasted longer than I thought.