ECAC Schedule

[Scersk '97]

One thing, the NY Division probably consists of schools with more alumni interest in hockey on average than the NE Division, mainly due to the fact that it is the only D-I sport at the D-III schools, and it appears to me having followed this forum for many years that it also has the greatest interest among Cornell alums.

And honestly, while Harvard is the #1 rival, I think it's safe the say the other NY schools would be pretty close to #2-#6.  Is anyone really looking forward to the annual Princeton matchups, for example?

Matchups with Ivies other than Harvard, save Yale when good, are not highlights.

No Quinnipiac at all? Great! Can that continue in the "after times?" Please?!

[Trotsky]

https://twitter.com/MikeMcMahonCHN/status/1309490872183074819

Thank God! Hopefully they come to their senses and this one ends up in the trash can!!

Well, if it's a choice between that set-up and the possibility of no season, is there really any choice?

No, but not the way one would hope.

Poor decision makers using poor decision-making criteria based on poor priorities will make poor decisions and hurt real human beings.  Film at 11.

[Trotsky]

And honestly, while Harvard is the #1 rival, I think it's safe the say the other NY schools would be pretty close to #2-#6.  Is anyone really looking forward to the annual Princeton matchups, for example?

1. Harvard
2. Clarkson
3. Flavor-of-the-Month that sucked 5 years ago and will suck in 5 years.

There are only 4 teams in the ECAC, one of which rotates.

[Trotsky]

I'm skeptical that we will have (and that we should have) a season.

The big football schools are expending a lot of resources on testing and whatnot (allegedly). Will hockey schools do the same? Some might. I figure UND and U of M, for instance, would work pretty hard to make hockey happen. But the smaller hockeh programs? Skeptical.

By the time January rolls around, there's a reasonable chance we should have widely available rapid testing across the population that should allow for a more "normal" existence on many levels, including intercollegiate sports.

I have seen exactly zero credible evidence to support this statement, beyond "things can happen in the future that we could not predict."

We're inside til August.  The rest of you enjoy the plague.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Is anyone really looking forward to the annual Princeton matchups, for example?

Yes, but only because it's the only game within driving distance for me.  This year, it'll be like any other game at Baker...no fans in the stands.

[scoop85]

I'm skeptical that we will have (and that we should have) a season.

The big football schools are expending a lot of resources on testing and whatnot (allegedly). Will hockey schools do the same? Some might. I figure UND and U of M, for instance, would work pretty hard to make hockey happen. But the smaller hockeh programs? Skeptical.

By the time January rolls around, there's a reasonable chance we should have widely available rapid testing across the population that should allow for a more "normal" existence on many levels, including intercollegiate sports.

I have seen exactly zero credible evidence to support this statement, beyond "things can happen in the future that we could not predict."

We're inside til August.  The rest of you enjoy the plague.

Check out Michael Mina's Twitter feed. He's a Harvard epidemiologist who's been involved with developing rapid home COVID tests.

[upprdeck]

cornell already has testing they can turn around as fast as they really want if its a priority.   Rapid testing done with pooling is pretty cheap and could be done with teams in some kind of bubbles hrs before a game and cost next to nothing.. 2-3 tests would do it per team group

you could almost be down to daily testing of teams by winter if they wanted to make it happen.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

cornell already has testing they can turn around as fast as they really want if its a priority.   Rapid testing done with pooling is pretty cheap and could be done with teams in some kind of bubbles hrs before a game and cost next to nothing.. 2-3 tests would do it per team group

you could almost be down to daily testing of teams by winter if they wanted to make it happen.

If you look at the school's "dashboard" they're apparently doing >5000 tests per day (half as many on weekends).  We should have that everywhere.

[abmarks]

That'd be nice.   You do realize though that the reason we can do this is because we owned the test euqipment already  in the Vet school and re-purposed fir the people instead of the cows?

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

That'd be nice.   You do realize though that the reason we can do this is because we owned the test euqipment already  in the Vet school and re-purposed fir the people instead of the cows?

Yep, knew that.  

But the article linked by Scoop85 makes a critical point: Every medical test in the US with the exception of pregnancy tests is forced to go through the medical establishment.  We need to break that paradigm, especially with this virus.

[Scersk '97]

That'd be nice.   You do realize though that the reason we can do this is because we owned the test euqipment already  in the Vet school and re-purposed fir the people instead of the cows?

We did have advantages, but I think some other schools dropped the ball. In particular, Princeton's decision to go full remote seems a bit silly. Dartmouth, on the other hand, seems to have done OK. They were faced with living space capacity constraints and have rejiggered their campus occupancy scheme as best they could.

Considering how isolated and rather small Princeton is, I think they could've achieved similar testing protocols to what Cornell has, making their students safer and helping make their surrounding community safer as well. All they had to do was commandeer some lab space and spend some of their many billions in filthy cash.

How integrated the other Ivies are into their urban environments made things really problematic.

[abmarks]

That'd be nice.   You do realize though that the reason we can do this is because we owned the test euqipment already  in the Vet school and re-purposed fir the people instead of the cows?

We did have advantages, but I think some other schools dropped the ball. In particular, Princeton's decision to go full remote seems a bit silly. Dartmouth, on the other hand, seems to have done OK. They were faced with living space capacity constraints and have rejiggered their campus occupancy scheme as best they could.

Considering how isolated and rather small Princeton is, I think they could've achieved similar testing protocols to what Cornell has, making their students safer and helping make their surrounding community safer as well. All they had to do was commandeer some lab space and spend some of their many billions in filthy cash.

How integrated the other Ivies are into their urban environments made things really problematic.

Are PCR testing setups even available at the moment?

[scoop85]

We're inside til August.  The rest of you enjoy the plague.

More reporting on the progress in in-home rapid tests.

[Jim Hyla]

That'd be nice.   You do realize though that the reason we can do this is because we owned the test euqipment already  in the Vet school and re-purposed fir the people instead of the cows?

Yep, knew that.  

But the article linked by Scoop85 makes a critical point: Every medical test in the US with the exception of pregnancy tests is forced to go through the medical establishment.  We need to break that paradigm, especially with this virus.

That idea has already been broken with this virus.

And that's the main reason why I tell my patients not to get an antibody test.

The PCR to identify the virus did go through it's own testing. However, in order to get antibody tests out quickly, the government allowed virtually any company to put out an antibody test, even before the test itself had been shown by an independent source to be accurate. The obvious happened and there are so many tests out there that you cannot rely upon them to tell you anything useful.

Tests, if they are to be used to make clinical decisions, need to be validated by an independent body. You can say that, because they are too slow, it shouldn't be the government, but it has to be done and done by someone who is not associated with the companies making the tests.

Do you want to be diagnosed with a disease based upon a test that has no independent reliability testing? Do you want to be told that you have immunity to the virus, based upon the same false testing?

I'm willing to wait till someone like the government tells me the test is valid.

[Jim Hyla]

https://twitter.com/MikeMcMahonCHN/status/1309490872183074819

Thank God! Hopefully they come to their senses and this one ends up in the trash can!!

Well, if it's a choice between that set-up and the possibility of no season, is there really any choice?

Completely agree. I certainly realize that Cornell fans would rather play Harvard and the rest of the Ivies rather than Colgate and four D-III schools, but this is just meant as a one-year change which we all will have to live with if it happens. If the main goal is to minimize travel and eliminate overnight trips, this is probably the best solution. I suppose that each school could just play the entire season against their travel partner, but that would be carrying things a bit too far. ::demented::

One thing, the NY Division probably consists of schools with more alumni interest in hockey on average than the NE Division, mainly due to the fact that it is the only D-I sport at the D-III schools, and it appears to me having followed this forum for many years that it also has the greatest interest among Cornell alums.

And honestly, while Harvard is the #1 rival, I think it's safe the say the other NY schools would be pretty close to #2-#6.  Is anyone really looking forward to the annual Princeton matchups, for example?

When I was at RPI, Cornell was by far the biggest opponent among the Ivies. They were probably second to Clarkson as a rival with SLU third. We played Harvard and DC very rarely, and the rest weren't that good. I entered RPI in 1964, so we learned from the upperclassmen about Harkness leaving. Despite CU having a dominating team in those years, the RPI team and fans were always up for them. Witness RPI's victories while I was a grad student in December of 1968 and 1970.

Of course that was also true of most other ECAC teams. Beating Cornell in the late 60s+ was any schools bragging rites. It was when the Cornell game became among the largest attended games for any ECAC school.

And I'm proud to say that it remains essentially true to this day.