Polls 2019-20

osorojo · February 26, 2020, 09:02:46 AM

Nah. The most prolific statisticians assume there's a correlation and then set out to find and select the data which confirms their hypothesis. Ask around.

marty · February 26, 2020, 09:55:56 AM

Quote from: osorojoNah. The most prolific statisticians assume there's a correlation and then set out to find and select the data which confirms their hypothesis. Ask around.

Oh, chef of the future: Who shall we ask?

Perhaps we should consult with a professor in the field. ;-)

Trotsky · February 26, 2020, 11:39:33 AM

Quote from: martyOh, chef of the future: Who shall we ask?

I'd have gone my whole life without seeing this. Thank you!

"A string of..."

osorojo · February 26, 2020, 12:43:32 PM

Come on, admit it: Free-lance statisticians consciously or not seek and sort data which supports their previous conclusions. Monaco. Reno, and Vegas were founded and survive because of this human peculiarity.

Jeff Hopkins '82 · February 26, 2020, 12:58:19 PM

Quote from: osorojoCome on, admit it: Free-lance statisticians consciously or not seek and sort data which supports their previous conclusions. Monaco. Reno, and Vegas were founded and survive because of this human peculiarity.

No, those places exist because people don't understand odds and statistics. That doesn't mean those ignorant people are "free-lance statisticians."

RichH · February 26, 2020, 01:02:14 PM

Shut it all down.

Trotsky · February 26, 2020, 01:44:51 PM

Please do not feed...

osorojo · February 26, 2020, 01:49:42 PM

Bag the hysteria. A regrettable portion of what calls itself "statistics" is hogwash, no matter how many decimal places and pages of numbers the vendor of statistical "truth" or even "probability" offers. What percentage of statisticians are filthy rich? Numbers are fun to play with but real life is not a binary exercise.

CU2007 · February 26, 2020, 02:23:22 PM

Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82
Quote from: osorojoCome on, admit it: Free-lance statisticians consciously or not seek and sort data which supports their previous conclusions. Monaco. Reno, and Vegas were founded and survive because of this human peculiarity.

No, those places exist because people don't understand odds and statistics. That doesn't mean those ignorant people are "free-lance statisticians."

Yes and no. Not everyone who goes to Vegas expects to win money. Plenty of people, myself included, consider the chase a form of entertainment for which we are comfortable losing a certain amount of money. I'm well aware the odds are not in my favor.

Dafatone · February 26, 2020, 03:27:01 PM

Quote from: CU2007
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82
Quote from: osorojoCome on, admit it: Free-lance statisticians consciously or not seek and sort data which supports their previous conclusions. Monaco. Reno, and Vegas were founded and survive because of this human peculiarity.

No, those places exist because people don't understand odds and statistics. That doesn't mean those ignorant people are "free-lance statisticians."

Yes and no. Not everyone who goes to Vegas expects to win money. Plenty of people, myself included, consider the chase a form of entertainment for which we are comfortable losing a certain amount of money. I'm well aware the odds are not in my favor.

I've been to Vegas once. I made a few hundred dollars.

Therefore, probability is a hoax.

Trotsky · February 26, 2020, 03:29:36 PM

Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: CU2007
Quote from: Jeff Hopkins '82
Quote from: osorojoCome on, admit it: Free-lance statisticians consciously or not seek and sort data which supports their previous conclusions. Monaco. Reno, and Vegas were founded and survive because of this human peculiarity.

No, those places exist because people don't understand odds and statistics. That doesn't mean those ignorant people are "free-lance statisticians."

Yes and no. Not everyone who goes to Vegas expects to win money. Plenty of people, myself included, consider the chase a form of entertainment for which we are comfortable losing a certain amount of money. I'm well aware the odds are not in my favor.

I've been to Vegas once. I made a few hundred dollars.

Therefore, probability is a hoax.

I'm immortal so far so Bayesianism can suck a dick, too.

DL · February 26, 2020, 03:44:01 PM

Quote from: TrotskyPlease do not feed...

+1

andyw2100 · March 01, 2020, 10:00:48 AM

I don't remember seeing the following discussed here before, though I expect it has been.

What is the general consensus with respect to what we think about whether or not the poll voters take scores into account when casting their votes? I'm guessing the voters will factor into their thinking that Cornell beat a highly ranked Clarkson team this week, and that that may be enough to push us to number one in the USA Today poll. I'm wondering if the fact that we won 5-1 while North Dakota needed most of the OT period to achieve their win will factor in or not.

Thanks.

Trotsky · March 01, 2020, 11:39:38 AM

Quote from: andyw2100I don't remember seeing the following discussed here before, though I expect it has been.

What is the general consensus with respect to what we think about whether or not the poll voters take scores into account when casting their votes? I'm guessing the voters will factor into their thinking that Cornell beat a highly ranked Clarkson team this week, and that that may be enough to push us to number one in the USA Today poll. I'm wondering if the fact that we won 5-1 while North Dakota needed most of the OT period to achieve their win will factor in or not.

Thanks.

My guess is it comes down to the voter. Adam can tell us if they get any guidance re: what to consider.

adamw · March 01, 2020, 05:51:57 PM

Quote from: TrotskyMy guess is it comes down to the voter. Adam can tell us if they get any guidance re: what to consider.

Last time I had anything to do with voting was 1999. But it's probably not any different in the fact that no guidance is given. You're lucky if the voters bother to look at a boxscore.