Polls 2019-20

[Jim Hyla]

Normally I don't think of PWR this early, but they both look so nice that they're here.**]::burnout::

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[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - November 25, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team      (First) Record Points Last Poll

1 Minnesota State (39) 10-1-1 988 1
[b][u]2 Cornell        (11) 8-0-0 954 2[/u][/b]
3 North Dakota 10-1-2 890 5
4 Denver        9-3-2 770 4
5 Notre Dame 8-2-2 728 3
[b][u]6 Clarkson 10-3-1 708 8[/u][/b]
7 Penn State 10-3-0 696 6
8 Minnesota Duluth 7-4-1 665 9
[b][u]9 Harvard        6-0-0 649 10[/u][/b]
10 Massachusetts 8-3-1 630 7
11 Ohio State 7-4-1 483 11
12 Northeastern 8-4-2 416 13
13 Providence 7-4-3 411 12
14 Boston College 7-4-0 370 14
15 UMass Lowell 7-3-4 290 15
16 Bowling Green 8-5-0 212 17
17 Western Michigan 7-5-2 195 20
18 Omaha        6-4-2 100 18
19 Wisconsin 6-7-1 91 16
20 Michigan State 6-5-1 52 NR

Others receiving votes: Northern Michigan 45, Arizona State 33,
RIT 27, Maine 25, New Hampshire 16, [b][u]Quinnipiac 14[/u][/b], Alaska 10,
[b][u]Dartmouth 9[/u][/b], Minnesota 8, Michigan Tech 7, Bemidji State 2,
Sacred Heart 2, Boston University 2, Robert Morris 2

[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
November 25, 2019[/b]
Team              Points (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll

1 Minnesota State Univer 494 (17) 1 10-1-1 9
[b][u]2 Cornell University 491 (17) 2 8-0-0 9[/u][/b]
3 University North Dakota 419 7 10-1-2 5
4 University of Notre Dame341 3 8-2-2 9
5 University of Denver 339 4 9-3-2 9
[b][u]6 Harvard University 316 8 6-0-0 4[/u][/b]
7 Penn State University 303 5 10-3-0 9
[b][u]8 Clarkson University 279 9 10-3-1 9[/u][/b]
9 Univer Minnesota Duluth 265 10 7-4-1 9
10 Univer Massachusetts 235 7 8-3-1 9
11 Ohio State University 156 11 7-4-1 9
12 Boston College        129 12 7-4-0 6
13 Northeastern University 106 14 8-4-2 9
14 Providence College 93 13 7-4-3 9
15 Bowling Green State   41 15 8-5-0 2

Others receiving votes: Michigan State University 26, University of Massachusetts Lowell 26,
University of Nebraska Omaha 9, Western Michigan University 4, Michigan Tech University 4,
University of Maine 3, Northern Michigan University 2.

[b]Men's Division I PairWise Rankings[/b]

Rnk Team       PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk

[b][u]1 Cornell        59 8-0-0 1.0000 1 0.7676* 1
2 Harvard        58 6-0-0 1.0000 1 0.6758* 2[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota State 57 10-1-1 0.8750 3 0.6699* 3
4 North Dakota 56 10-1-2 0.8462 4 0.6589* 4
5 Notre Dame 55 8-2-2 0.7500 6 0.6223* 5
6 Penn State 54 10-3-0 0.7692 5 0.6056 6
7 Denver        53 9-3-2 0.7143 8 0.5894* 7
8 Minnesota Duluth52 7-4-1 0.6250 15 0.5633 8
9 Bowling Green 51 8-5-0 0.6154 17 0.5621 9
[b][u]10 Clarkson 50 10-3-1 0.7500 6 0.5619* 10[/u][/b]
11 Michigan State 49 6-5-1 0.5417 27 0.5608 11
12 Boston College 48 7-4-0 0.6364 13 0.5564 12
13 Ohio State 47 7-4-1 0.6250 15 0.5463* 13
14 Arizona State 46 6-4-0 0.6000 19 0.5427* 14
15 Western Michigan45 7-5-2 0.5714 24 0.5422 15
[b][u]16 Dartmouth 44 3-2-1 0.5833 20 0.5417 16[/u][/b]
17 Michigan Tech 43 7-6-0 0.5385 29 0.5410 17
18 Massachusetts 42 8-3-1 0.7083 9 0.5343 18
19 Omaha        41 6-4-2 0.5833 20 0.5337 19
20 Northeastern 40 8-4-2 0.6429 10 0.5280 20
21 Wisconsin 39 6-7-1 0.4643 34 0.5258 21
22 RIT        38 8-4-2 0.6429 10 0.5248 22
23 Providence 37 7-4-3 0.6071 18 0.5232 23
24 Alaska        36 8-8-0 0.5000 31 0.5218 24
25      UMass Lowell 35 7-3-4 0.6429 10 0.5206 25
26 Colorado College34 4-5-1 0.4500 37 0.5196 26
27 Maine        33 7-5-2 0.5714 24 0.5189 27
28 Northern Michigan32 7-5-2 0.5714 24 0.5163 28
29 New Hampshire 31 6-5-1 0.5417 27 0.5134 29
30 Minnesota 30 5-6-3 0.4643 34 0.5130 30
31 Army        29 7-4-0 0.6364 13 0.5123 31
[b][u]32 Quinnipiac 28 6-6-1 0.5000 31 0.5104 32[/u][/b]

[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - November 25, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team      (First) Record Points Last Poll

1 Minnesota (14) 13-1-2 148 1
2 Wisconsin (1) 14-1-1 136 2
[b][u]3 Cornell        7-0-1 125 3[/u][/b]
4 Northeastern 12-2-0 97 4
[b][u]5 Princeton 9-2-0 89 8[/u][/b]
6 Ohio State 9-3-4 65 7
[b][u]7 Clarkson 10-2-4 63 5[/u][/b]
8 Boston College 11-3-1 47 6
9 Minnesota Duluth 7-5-2 24 10
10 Boston University 10-4-1 17 NR

Others receiving votes: [b][u]Harvard 10[/u][/b], Robert Morris 4

[b]Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings[/b]

Rnk Team       PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk

[b][u]1 Cornell        40 7-0-1 0.9375 1 0.6843* 1[/u][/b]
2 Minnesota 39 13-1-2 0.8750 3 0.6830* 2
3 Wisconsin 38 14-1-1 0.9062 2 0.6812* 3
4 Northeastern 37 12-2-0 0.8571 4 0.6583* 4
[b][u]5 Princeton 36 9-2-0 0.8182 5 0.6158* 5[/u][/b]
6 Ohio State 35 9-3-4 0.6875 11 0.6082 6
[b][u]7 Clarkson 34 10-2-4 0.7500 7 0.5993* 7
8 Harvard        32 5-2-0 0.7143 9 0.5869* 8[/u][/b]
8 Boston College 32 11-3-1 0.7667 6 0.5827* 9
10 Boston University31 10-4-1 0.7000 10 0.5781 10
11 Minnesota Duluth30 7-5-2 0.5714 16 0.5744 11
[b][u]12 Colgate        29 8-6-3 0.5588 17 0.5513* 12[/u][/b]
13 Robert Morris 28 8-5-1 0.6071 14 0.5453* 13
14 Connecticut 26 8-5-1 0.6071 14 0.5389* 14
14 Mercyhurst 26 7-4-1 0.6250 13 0.5351 15
16 Maine        25 6-6-2 0.5000 20 0.5306 16
17 New Hampshire 24 7-7-2 0.5000 20 0.5304 17
18 Bemidji State 23 5-8-1 0.3929 26 0.5123 18
19 Providence 22 7-6-2 0.5333 19 0.5114 19
[b][u]20 Quinnipiac 21 6-6-3 0.5000 20 0.5112* 20
21 Yale        20 5-4-0 0.5556 18 0.5086* 21
22 St. Lawrence 19 5-6-3 0.4643 24 0.5023* 22[/u][/b]


[Beeeej]

Why are CHN's and USCHO's Pairwise rankings still so different??

[Swampy]

Why are CHN's and USCHO's Pairwise rankings still so different??

Alternative facts.

[Jim Hyla]

Well here's the top schools and their RPIs as calculated by USCHO & CHN.

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(US)Rnk Team     (US)PW  (US)RPI (US)RPI (C)PCWs (C)RPI (C)Rk
                                        Rnk
1 Cornell        59 0.7676* 1      59   .7256 1
2 Harvard        58 0.6758* 2      56   .6431 4
3 Minnesota State 57 0.6699* 3      58   .6592 2
4 North Dakota 56 0.6589* 4      57   .6589 3
5 Notre Dame 55 0.6223* 5      55   .6223 5

Since RPI is really the reason for ranking, the different way each calculates the RPI makes the difference.

I've not looked into how they do the calculations.

Maybe Adam could help us?

[adamw]

Maybe Adam could help us?

Ours is right. Hope that helps

[Jim Hyla]

Maybe Adam could help us?

Ours is right. Hope that helps

No, it doesn't, but then you knew that.

[Jim Hyla]

Poorly functioning ECAC.

Looks like we need to do well in Las Vegas, as well as in the ECAC.

Rankings roundup: How the top 20 teams fared, Nov. 28-Dec. 1

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No. 1 [b][u]Minnesota State[/u][/b] (12-1-1)
11/29/2019 – No. 1 [b][u]Minnesota State[/u][/b] 4 at No. 8 Minnesota Duluth 1
11/30/2019 – No. 1 [b][u]Minnesota State[/u][/b] 3 at No. 8 Minnesota Duluth 1

[b][u]No. 2 Cornell (9-0-0)[/u][/b]
11/30/2019 – No. 2 [b][u]Cornell[/u][/b] 2 vs RV Boston University 0

No. 3 [b][u]North Dakota[/u][/b] (12-1-2)
11/28/2019 – No. 3 [b][u]North Dakota[/u][/b] 9 at RV Minnesota 3
11/29/2019 – No. 3 [b][u]North Dakota[/u][/b] 3 at RV Minnesota 2

No. 4 [b][u]Denver[/u][/b] (9-3-2)
[b][u]Did not play.[/u][/b]

No. 5 [b][u]Notre Dame[/u][/b] (8-4-2)
11/29/2019 – No. 16 [b][u]Bowling Green[/u][/b] 5 at No. 5 Notre Dame 2
11/30/2019 – No. 5 Notre Dame 2 at No. 16 [b][u]Bowling Green[/u][/b] 5

[b][u]No. 6 Clarkson (10-3-1)[/u][/b]
[b][u]Did not play.[/u][/b]

No. 7 [b][u]Penn State[/u][/b] (11-4-0)
11/29/2019 – No. 7 [b][u]Penn State[/u][/b] 7 at Merrimack 0
11/30/2019 – No. 7 Penn State 2 at No. 15 [b][u]UMass Lowell[/u][/b] 3 (OT)

No. 8 [b][u]Minnesota Duluth[/u][/b] (7-6-1)
11/29/2019 – No. 1 [b][u]Minnesota State[/u] 4[/b] at No. 8 Minnesota Duluth 1
11/30/2019 – No. 1 [b][u]Minnesota State[/u][/b] 3 at No. 8 Minnesota Duluth 1

[b][u]No. 9 Harvard (6-1-0)[/u][/b]
11/29/2019 – No. 14 [b][u]Boston College[/u][/b] 4 at No. 9 Harvard 2

No. 10 [b][u]Massachusetts[/u][/b] (9-4-1)
11/29/2019 – No. 10 [b][u]Massachusetts[/u][/b] 3 at RV Quinnipiac 0
11/30/2019 – RV [b][u]Quinnipiac[/u][/b] 2 at No. 10 Massachusetts 1

No. 11 [b][u]Ohio State[/u][/b] (9-4-1)
11/30/2019 – No. 20 Michigan State 1 at No. 11 [b][u]Ohio State[/u][/b] 3
12/01/2019 – No. 20 Michigan State 0 at No. 11 [b][u]Ohio State[/u][/b] 2

No. 12 [b][u]Northeastern[/u][/b] (10-4-2)
11/29/2019 – No. 12 [b][u]Northeastern[/u][/b] 4 vs RV New Hampshire 0
11/30/2019 Colgate 3 vs No. 12 [b][u]Northeastern[/u][/b] 4

No. 13 [b][u]Providence[/u][/b] (8-4-3)
11/30/2019 – Brown 2 at No. 13 [b][u]Providence[/u][/b] 4

No. 14 [b][u]Boston College[/u][/b] (9-4-0)
11/26/2019 – Yale 2 at No. 14 [b][u]Boston College[/u][/b] 6
11/29/2019 – No. 14 [b][u]Boston College[/u][/b] 4 at No. 9 Harvard 2

No. 15 [b][u]UMass Lowell[/u][/b] (9-3-4)
11/29/2019 – Rensselaer 0 at No. 15 [b][u]UMass Lowell[/u][/b] 4
11/30/2019 – No. 7 Penn State 2 at No. 15 [b][u]UMass Lowell[/u][/b] 3 (OT)

No. 16 [b][u]Bowling Green[/u][/b] (10-5-0)
11/29/2019 – No. 16 [b][u]Bowling Green[/u][/b] 5 at No. 5 Notre Dame 2
11/30/2019 – No. 5 Notre Dame 2 at No. 16 [b][u]Bowling Green[/u][/b] 5

No. 17 [b][u]Western Michigan[/u][/b] (7-5-2)
[b][u]Did not play.[/u][/b]

No. 18 [b][u]Omaha[/u][/b] (6-4-2)
[b][u]Did not play.[/u][/b]

No. 19 [b][u]Wisconsin[/u][/b] (7-8-1)
11/30/2019 – Michigan 2 at No. 19 [b][u]Wisconsin[/u][/b] 3
12/01/2019 – [b][u]Michigan[/u][/b] 3 at No. 19 Wisconsin 1

No. 20 [b][u]Michigan State[/u][/b] (6-7-1)
11/30/2019 – No. 20 Michigan State 1 at No. 11 [b][b][u]Ohio State[/u][/b][/b] 3
12/01/2019 – No. 20 Michigan State 0 at No. 11 [b][u]Ohio State[/u][/b] 2

RV = Received Votes


[Jim Hyla]

So in response to they prior observation that there's a differance between the 2 PWRs, I've decided to post both.

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[b][u]USCHO's[/u][/b] Men's Division I PairWise Rankings

Rnk Team       PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk

[b][u]1 Cornell        59 9-0-0 1.0000 1 0.7173* 1[/u][/b]
2 Minnesota State 58 12-1-1 0.8929 2 0.6750* 2
3 North Dakota 57 12-1-2 0.8667 3 0.6609* 3
4 Denver        56 9-3-2 0.7143 7 0.5959* 4
5 Boston College 55 9-4-0 0.6923 9 0.5824 5
6 Bowling Green 54 10-5-0 0.6667 14 0.5819 6
7 Penn State 53 11-4-0 0.7333 6 0.5810 7
[b][u]8 Harvard        52 6-1-0 0.8571 4 0.5739* 8[/u][/b]
9 Notre Dame 51 8-4-2 0.6429 15 0.5734 9
10 Ohio State 50 9-4-1 0.6786 12 0.5660 10
11 Michigan Tech 49 8-7-0 0.5333 29 0.5473 11
[b][u]12 Clarkson 48 10-3-1 0.7500 5 0.5457* 12[/u][/b]
13 Minnesota Duluth47 7-6-1 0.5357 27 0.5452 13
14 Massachusetts 46 9-4-1 0.6786 12 0.5440 14
15 Western Michigan45 7-5-2 0.5714 22 0.5436 15
16 Arizona State 44 7-4-1 0.6250 17 0.5426 16
17 UMass Lowell 43 9-3-4 0.6875 10 0.5419 17
18 Providence 42 8-4-3 0.6333 16 0.5402 18
19 Northeastern 41 10-4-2 0.6875 10 0.5399 19
20 Army        40 10-4-0 0.7143 7 0.5396* 20
21 Omaha        39 6-4-2 0.5833 20 0.5293 21
22 Maine        38 8-5-3 0.5938 19 0.5255 22
23 Michigan State 37 6-7-1 0.4643 33 0.5232 23
[b][u]24 Dartmouth 36 3-2-1 0.5833 20 0.5217 24[/u][/b]
25 Alaska        35 9-9-0 0.5000 30 0.5197 25
26 Bemidji State 34 7-4-3 0.6071 18 0.5193 26
27 Colorado College33 4-5-1 0.4500 36 0.5137 27
[b][u]28 Quinnipiac 32 7-7-1 0.5000 30 0.5098 28[/u][/b]

[b]CHN's[/b] NCAA Tournament Pairwise Comparison Ratings

Rk Team       PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
[b][u]1 Cornell 59 .6869 1 .0033 9-0-0 1.0000 1.0000[/u][/b]
2 Minnesota State 58 .6679 2 .0142 12-1-1 .8929 .8732
3 North Dakota 57 .6596 3 .0090 12-1-2 .8667 .8824
4 Denver        56 .5959 4 .0065 9-3-2 .7143 .7000
5 Boston College 55 .5824 5 .0034 9-4-0 .6923 .7273
6 Bowling Green 54 .5819 6 .0093 10-5-0 .6667 .6667
7 Penn State 53 .5810 7 .0015 11-4-0 .7333 .6944
8 Notre Dame 52 .5734 8 .0034 8-4-2 .6429 .6562
[b][u]9 Harvard 51 .5728 9 .0000 6-1-0 .8571 .8333[/u][/b]
10 Ohio State 50 .5660 10 .0038 9-4-1 .6786 .6894
11 Michigan Tech 49 .5473 11 .0024 8-7-0 .5333 .5610
[b][u]12 Clarkson 48 .5456 12 .0000 10-3-1 .7500 .7534[/u][/b]
13 Minnesota-Duluth47 .5452 13 .0043 7-6-1 .5357 .5075
14 Massachusetts 46 .5440 14 .0015 9-4-1 .6786 .6769
15 Western Michigan45 .5436 15 .0070 7-5-2 .5714 .5870
16 Arizona State 44 .5426 16 .0000 7-4-1 .6250 .6316
17 Mass.-Lowell 43 .5419 17 .0033 9-3-4 .6875 .6625
18 Providence 42 .5402 18 .0055 8-4-3 .6333 .6133
19 Northeastern 41 .5399 19 .0011 10-4-2 .6875 .6974
20 Army        40 .5396 20 .0000 10-4-0 .7143 .7222
21 Nebraska-Omaha 39 .5293 21 .0033 6-4-2 .5833 .5833
22 Maine        38 .5255 22 .0003 8-5-3 .5938 .6301
23 Michigan State 37 .5232 23 .0061 6-7-1 .4643 .4928
[b][u]24 Dartmouth 36 .5217 24 .0000 3-2-1 .5833 .6207[/u][/b]
25 Alaska        35 .5197 25 .0072 9-9-0 .5000 .4894
26 Bemidji State 34 .5193 26 .0000 7-4-3 .6071 .6308
27 Colorado College33 .5137 27 .0002 4-5-1 .4500 .4314
[b][u]28 Quinnipiac 32 .5098 28 .0015 7-7-1 .5000 .5072[/u][/b]


[Jim Hyla]

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[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - December 2, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team     (First) Record Points Last Poll

1 Minnesota State (44) 12-1-1 994 1
[b][u]2 Cornell (6)         9-0-0 947 2[/u][/b]
3 North Dakota 12-1-2 889 3
4 Denver         9-3-2 826 4
[b][u]5 Clarkson 10-3-1 758 6[/u][/b]
6 Penn State 11-4-0 656 7
7 Ohio State 9-4-1 620 11
8 Northeastern 10-4-2 528 12
9 Notre Dame 8-4-2 527 5
10 Boston College 9-4-0 522 14
11 Massachusetts 9-4-1 491 10
[b][u]12 Harvard         6-1-0 488 9[/u][/b]
13 Bowling Green 10-5-0 478 16
14 Minnesota Duluth 7-6-1 429 8
15 Providence 8-4-3 388 13
16 UMass Lowell 9-3-4 375 15
17 Western Michigan 7-5-2 200 17
18 Omaha         6-4-2 128 18
19 Wisconsin 7-8-1 41 19
20 Arizona State 7-4-1 39 NR

Others receiving votes: Maine 27, [b][u]Quinnipiac 21[/u][/b], Northern Michigan 20,
Michigan State 19, Army 17, Sacred Heart 14, Alaska 12, Bemidji State 12,
Michigan Tech 10, [b][u]Dartmouth 7[/u][/b], RIT 7, New Hampshire 6, Robert Morris 3, Minnesota 1

[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - December 2, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team     (First) Record Points Last Poll

1 Wisconsin (8) 16-1-1 143 2
2 Minnesota (7) 14-1-3 142 1
3 Northeastern 13-2-0 111 4
[b][u]4 Cornell         9-1-1 109 3[/u][/b]
5 Ohio State 10-4-4 77 6
[b][u]6 Princeton 9-2-0 74 5
7 Clarkson 12-2-4 63 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston College 11-4-2 52 8
9 Boston University 10-4-1 24 10
10 Minnesota Duluth 8-6-2 19 9

Others receiving votes: Robert Morris 5,
Mercyhurst 5, [b][u]Harvard 1[/u][/b]


[Trotsky]

Just noticed the Vegas field has turned out to be strong:

 

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1   9-0-0 Cornell
10   9-4-1 Ohio State
18   8-4-3 Providence
20  10-4-3 Army


A couple tweaks and that could be an NC$$ regional field (1/8/9/16)

[adamw]

So mea culpa ... our Pairwise was calculating incorrectly, but not because of the Pairwise algorithm, per se ... we had the site for some of the "Bad win" games all listed as home games, even when they were road games. Which - because of the weighting these days - messes things up.  This was a dumb bug on my part introduced in June when I was playing around with some stuff.

Anyway - Pairwise is right now - so...thanks for the inspiration to get to the bottom of it.

[Jim Hyla]

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[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
December 2, 2019[/b]
Team              Points  (First) Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll

1 Minnesota State Univer 497 (21) 1 12-1-1 10
[b][u]2 Cornell University 486 (13) 2 9-0-0 10[/u][/b]
3 University North Dakota 431 3 12-1-2 6
4 University of Denver 392 5 9-3-2 10
[b][u]5 Clarkson University 304 8 10-3-1 10[/u][/b]
6 Penn State University 262 7 11-4-0 10
7 Boston College        254 12 9-4-0 7
8 Ohio State University 252 11 9-4-1 10
[b][u]9 Harvard University 229 6 6-1-0 5[/u][/b]
10 University of Notre Dame203 4 8-4-2 10
11 Bowling Green State   173 15 10-5-0 10
12 Northeastern University 159 13 10-4-2 10
13 University Massachusetts139 10 9-4-1 10
14 Univer Minnesota Duluth 105 9 7-6-1 10
15 Massachusetts Lowell     87 NR 9-3-4 3

Others receiving votes: Providence College 78, University of Nebraska Omaha 14,
Michigan Tech University 5, Western Michigan University 4,
University of Maine 4, Arizona State University 2.


[ugarte]

the dismal state of the ecac has me mentally pumping the brakes on our team EVEN THOUGH I HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY HAPPY WITH WHAT I'VE SEEN

[Dafatone]

the dismal state of the ecac has me mentally pumping the brakes on our team EVEN THOUGH I HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY HAPPY WITH WHAT I'VE SEEN

I figure some of that is bad luck. The conference's record against other conferences is SO bad, but it's also not that many games. A few close games go the other way and our conference record is only pretty bad and things would look better.

I think in a few months, we'll have fewer teams at the very bottom of the pairwise. Hopefully we're still towards the top.

[Swampy]

So mea culpa ... our Pairwise was calculating incorrectly, but not because of the Pairwise algorithm, per se ... we had the site for some of the "Bad win" games all listed as home games, even when they were road games. Which - because of the weighting these days - messes things up.  This was a dumb bug on my part introduced in June when I was playing around with some stuff.

Anyway - Pairwise is right now - so...thanks for the inspiration to get to the bottom of it.

One would think that by now some sports nerd would have written a R package that, at a minimum, scrapes relevant data off the Web and computes RPI and the pairwise.