Cornell Football 2019

[Jim Hyla]

I believe CFA's issue is with the inadequate level of support the university provides for the football program.  This is less about institutional control of a booster group & more about providing the necessary funding, facilities, & staff required for a competitive Ivy program.  As the CFA states in their letter, after two decades of abysmal results, "Results matter".  The CFA is much closer to the situation than I am.  And they vote no confidence in the stewardship of our football program

From Andy's 7/31 letter:

"Among the most important concepts in the NCAA is that of institutional control. Simply put, this concept requires that institutions implement processes and procedures to minimize the incidence and frequency of rules violations. Institutional control applies to the institution and to any external persons or groups considered "Representatives of the University's Athletics Interests." Institutions are responsible not only for their own activities, but also for the activities (and potential rules violations) of their external support groups, even where those groups are organized as legally independent organizations – the NCAA imputes the conduct of such organizations to the institutional member.

The CFA and its members are defined as Representatives of Cornell's Athletics Interests, and therefore must be subject to Cornell's monitoring and oversight to ensure demonstrable institutional control. The current leadership of this organization has refused necessary and compliant monitoring and oversight, and as a result, Cornell University has no choice but to disassociate from the current leadership of the CFA and decline support from this group.

The entire issue at hand is the CFA leadership's refusal to comply with required but reasonable NCAA mandates regarding institutional control."

[CAS]

Jim, why do you think that the CFA board, which is comprised of some of Cornell football's greatest players & generous supporters, took this action?

[Jim Hyla]

Jim, why do you think that the CFA board, which is comprised of some of Cornell football's greatest players & generous supporters, took this action?

I have no idea, but I've thought that they were unhappy with the way the program is going.

The problem is that they cannot help the program from the outside. They have to be monitored by the university.

If indeed they are not allowing CU monitoring, then it's the old nose/face routine.

[Ken711]

Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. ::wtf::

https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/8/23/football-opens-camp-eyes-forward-to-2019.aspx

So they have shuffled the staff around and named the Offense Coordinator also as the QB coach, even though he never played the position in college.  Then they promote a staff member to TE coach who never played football in college....got it. A powerhouse football coaching staff, what could possibly go wrong. ::rolleyes::

https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/9/3/mcdonough-promoted-on-football-staff-dubowski-terry-added.aspx

[Trotsky]

If indeed they are not allowing CU monitoring

Is that something the CFA itself announced or is it the university's characterization?

[David Harding]

Practice has started for the Big Red, and they still haven't hired a QB coach...TBA. ::wtf::

https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/8/23/football-opens-camp-eyes-forward-to-2019.aspx

So they have shuffled the staff around and named the Offense Coordinator also as the QB coach, even though he never played the position in college.  Then they promote a staff member to TE coach who never played football in college....got it. A powerhouse football coaching staff, what could possibly go wrong. ::rolleyes::

https://cornellbigred.com/news/2019/9/3/mcdonough-promoted-on-football-staff-dubowski-terry-added.aspx

The new coaching intern assigned to defense was a backup quarterback for Michigan State, getting one start in five years.

[Jim Hyla]

If indeed they are not allowing CU monitoring

Is that something the CFA itself announced or is it the university's characterization?

I've not seen the CFA talk about this, but to me silence, at least from what I know, is itself an answer.

If they were willing to be monitored, why wouldn't they  publicize it?

I've not read all of CFA's writings. So I'd be happy to defer to someone who has better knowledge.

[CAS]

The CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement.  It's apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive.  Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what's necessary to enable us to compete.

[ugarte]

The CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement.  It's apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive.  Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what's necessary to enable us to compete.

the boosters don't bear the burden of compliance. if they aren't willing to play by the school's rules, they can't play at all. if you think that's unfair, try being a college athlete.

[Trotsky]

The CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement.  It's apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive.  Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what's necessary to enable us to compete.

Which is fine, but my understanding is there needs to be institutional control to make sure the Cornell boosters don't do something (by omission or commission) that f-cks the university.  They have to submit to monitoring.  The acceptable path of protest is not to boost without monitoring, it is to withhold boosting.

As a barely concealed tax-free financial scam, Cornell University always chooses to maximize the bottom line.  They maintain the appearance of academic primacy because that supports the elite brand which allows them to demand exorbitant fees for their service of credentialing the next generation of Upper Class Twits of the Year.  They have athletic programs in the first place because the emotional attachment of pathetic glory days Olds enables them to grab millions in extra donations.  And let's not even start on real estate.

The only way to get Cornell to do something is to either dangle or withhold cash.  Everything else is a means to that end for them.

[CAS]

It appears to me that is what the new CFA is doing - withholding cash. They will still sponsor tailgates & host a golf outing, but won't finance a football program that's won but 25% of its Ivy games in the last decade

[Ken711]

It appears to me that is what the new CFA is doing - withholding cash. They will still sponsor tailgates & host a golf outing, but won't finance a football program that's won but 25% of its Ivy games in the last decade

You are exactly right. As an aside, last year when there was voices expressing frustration with the direction of the football program, and calling for the firing to David Archer, the AD asked the CFA to publicly join him in support of the head coach after yet another losing season, including that embarrassing record setting 66-0 loss to Princeton, the CFA wouldn't provide that public support.

[underskill]

The CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement.  It's apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive.  Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what's necessary to enable us to compete.

Which is fine, but my understanding is there needs to be institutional control to make sure the Cornell boosters don't do something (by omission or commission) that f-cks the university.  They have to submit to monitoring.  The acceptable path of protest is not to boost without monitoring, it is to withhold boosting.

As a barely concealed tax-free financial scam, Cornell University always chooses to maximize the bottom line.  They maintain the appearance of academic primacy because that supports the elite brand which allows them to demand exorbitant fees for their service of credentialing the next generation of Upper Class Twits of the Year.  They have athletic programs in the first place because the emotional attachment of pathetic glory days Olds enables them to grab millions in extra donations.  And let's not even start on real estate.

The only way to get Cornell to do something is to either dangle or withhold cash.  Everything else is a means to that end for them.

like every university and athletic program in the US

[Trotsky]

The CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement.  It's apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive.  Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what's necessary to enable us to compete.

Which is fine, but my understanding is there needs to be institutional control to make sure the Cornell boosters don't do something (by omission or commission) that f-cks the university.  They have to submit to monitoring.  The acceptable path of protest is not to boost without monitoring, it is to withhold boosting.

As a barely concealed tax-free financial scam, Cornell University always chooses to maximize the bottom line.  They maintain the appearance of academic primacy because that supports the elite brand which allows them to demand exorbitant fees for their service of credentialing the next generation of Upper Class Twits of the Year.  They have athletic programs in the first place because the emotional attachment of pathetic glory days Olds enables them to grab millions in extra donations.  And let's not even start on real estate.

The only way to get Cornell to do something is to either dangle or withhold cash.  Everything else is a means to that end for them.

like every university and athletic program in the US

My point precisely.  The hockey team is a divine blessing descended from Heaven to Earth for our salvation.  The professors* are protectors of the guttering candle of knowledge.  The university can DIAF.

* Arts and Sciences, obviously.

[marty]

The CFA has indicated that they negotiated with the university but were unable to reach an agreement.  It's apparent they have zero confidence that the football program will receive the institutional support needed to be competitive.  Perhaps this action by football's greatest supporters will prompt the Cornell administration & board to examine the program & do what's necessary to enable us to compete.

the boosters don't bear the burden of compliance. if they aren't willing to play by the school's rules, they can't play at all. if you think that's unfair, try being a college athlete.

But isn't the University's position that CFA is not complying with NCAA rules?