Quinnipiac QF Game 2

[Chris '03]

If it goes past 5:00 of conference tournament OT (or Beanpot, or anything), it's still a win/loss for NCAA purposes.  I think that has always been the case.  But the idea that it counts as a tie is a myth that seems to never die.

Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me but I recall being at the tournament that Cornell participated in a few times that was played at the Syracuse War Memorial and a game going to OT and they put up five minutes, presumably to be like a "regular" OT game and then putting up the remaining 15 minutes to continue OT when there was still no winner. I guess that wasn't necessary but maybe the coaches wanted it?

I've heard of this but never witnessed it.  Was this in the 60s?

http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/1997/box19961227.pdf

Compare period numbers to goalie minutes.

Hat tip, richh

[JasonN95]

If it goes past 5:00 of conference tournament OT (or Beanpot, or anything), it's still a win/loss for NCAA purposes.  I think that has always been the case.  But the idea that it counts as a tie is a myth that seems to never die.

Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me but I recall being at the tournament that Cornell participated in a few times that was played at the Syracuse War Memorial and a game going to OT and they put up five minutes, presumably to be like a "regular" OT game and then putting up the remaining 15 minutes to continue OT when there was still no winner. I guess that wasn't necessary but maybe the coaches wanted it?

I've heard of this but never witnessed it.  Was this in the 60s?

http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/1997/box19961227.pdf

Compare period numbers to goalie minutes.

Hat tip, richh

Ah, good, so not creeping senility (yet). This might also be the game where the opposing goalie threw up on the ice.

[jtwcornell91]

If it goes past 5:00 of conference tournament OT (or Beanpot, or anything), it's still a win/loss for NCAA purposes.  I think that has always been the case.  But the idea that it counts as a tie is a myth that seems to never die.

Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me but I recall being at the tournament that Cornell participated in a few times that was played at the Syracuse War Memorial and a game going to OT and they put up five minutes, presumably to be like a "regular" OT game and then putting up the remaining 15 minutes to continue OT when there was still no winner. I guess that wasn't necessary but maybe the coaches wanted it?

I've heard of this but never witnessed it.  Was this in the 60s?

http://www.tbrw.info/seasons/1997/box19961227.pdf

Compare period numbers to goalie minutes.

Hat tip, richh

Ah, good, so not creeping senility (yet). This might also be the game where the opposing goalie threw up on the ice.

Yep. http://amurgsval.org/joe/hockey/SITrd1.html

[adamw]

If it goes past 5:00 of conference tournament OT (or Beanpot, or anything), it's still a win/loss for NCAA purposes.  I think that has always been the case.  But the idea that it counts as a tie is a myth that seems to never die.

Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me but I recall being at the tournament that Cornell participated in a few times that was played at the Syracuse War Memorial and a game going to OT and they put up five minutes, presumably to be like a "regular" OT game and then putting up the remaining 15 minutes to continue OT when there was still no winner. I guess that wasn't necessary but maybe the coaches wanted it?

Things like this did happen, as was noted. But I'm pretty sure it was only because the teams were also confused. This was a common question on Hockey-L back in the day. But let's put it this way, if it ever were a thing (where after 5 minutes, it counted as a tie for NCAA tournament purposes), it was a thing for a very limited amount of years. I'm certain that by 1997 it was not a tie, because that's when I started calculating things closely. And the Pairwise as a thing was only around since about 1990 - although in more primitive form.  So maybe it's possible that between 1990 and 1997, this was a thing. I'll try to find some hockey-L posts that discuss it.

[adamw]

If it goes past 5:00 of conference tournament OT (or Beanpot, or anything), it's still a win/loss for NCAA purposes.  I think that has always been the case.  But the idea that it counts as a tie is a myth that seems to never die.

Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me but I recall being at the tournament that Cornell participated in a few times that was played at the Syracuse War Memorial and a game going to OT and they put up five minutes, presumably to be like a "regular" OT game and then putting up the remaining 15 minutes to continue OT when there was still no winner. I guess that wasn't necessary but maybe the coaches wanted it?

Things like this did happen, as was noted. But I'm pretty sure it was only because the teams were also confused. This was a common question on Hockey-L back in the day. But let's put it this way, if it ever were a thing (where after 5 minutes, it counted as a tie for NCAA tournament purposes), it was a thing for a very limited amount of years. I'm certain that by 1997 it was not a tie, because that's when I started calculating things closely. And the Pairwise as a thing was only around since about 1990 - although in more primitive form.  So maybe it's possible that between 1990 and 1997, this was a thing. I'll try to find some hockey-L posts that discuss it.

And here is Greg's (Trotsky's) Hockey-L post from 1996 about this very topic and this very game.

http://lists.maine.edu/cgi/wa?A2=ind9612&L=Hockey-L&P=R18822&1=Hockey-L&9=A&I=-3&J=on&d=No+Match%3BMatch%3BMatches&z=4

Note that he is replying to Mike Machnik, who at that time knew more about the Pairwise than anyone.

There was definitely confusion among teams about this issue. I remember games where coaches looked at each other and asked how long the OT should be. And different tournaments did it different ways.

But I'm all but certain that, as long as the OT was played 5-on-5 under normal conditions, it counted towards NCAA criteria no matter.

I also distinctly recall that some time in the late '90s, all of this confusion forced the Ice Hockey Committee to put out clarifications on what should happen and what kinds of formats could be used. They basically said - it had to be 5 minutes and that's it. Or play to a conclusion. Those were the choices. And that stands to this day.

[Scersk '97]

Gallagher scraping up puke is one of my cherished hockey memories.

If not for David Adler's innocuous floater, we might all still be at the Syracuse (Hockey) Invitational Tournament. Perhaps in some other universe, we still are.

[Beeeej]

Gallagher scraping up puke is one of my cherished hockey memories.

If not for David Adler's innocuous floater, we might all still be at the Syracuse (Hockey) Invitational Tournament. Perhaps in some other universe, we still are.

And I really wish you'd take an occasional shower, like the rest of us have managed to take turns doing.

[BearLover]

Memory lane: Cornell's only prior SF vs Princeton.

One of the best games in Cornell history, IMO. Princeton was 8th in the country and the defending champions, and if my memory serves me correctly Cornell likely had to win this game to make the NCAAs. Barlow's coast-to-coast goal with under 3 to play is possibly the prettiest Cornell goal I've ever seen, and then Riley sent it to OT with 25 seconds remaining. Greening's second-OT rip put the Red into the championship game and the NCAA tournament.

[snert1288]

Memory lane: Cornell's only prior SF vs Princeton.

One of the best games in Cornell history, IMO. Princeton was 8th in the country and the defending champions, and if my memory serves me correctly Cornell likely had to win this game to make the NCAAs. Barlow's coast-to-coast goal with under 3 to play is possibly the prettiest Cornell goal I've ever seen, and then Riley sent it to OT with 25 seconds remaining. Greening's second-OT rip put the Red into the championship game and the NCAA tournament.

Zane Kalemba was also having an outstanding year that season. Don't remember exactly but he was one of national leaders in GAA and save pct. Of course, that would all change after facing U Minnesota-Duluth in NCAAs after which he was never the same.

[marty]

Memory lane: Cornell's only prior SF vs Princeton.

One of the best games in Cornell history, IMO. Princeton was 8th in the country and the defending champions, and if my memory serves me correctly Cornell likely had to win this game to make the NCAAs. Barlow's coast-to-coast goal with under 3 to play is possibly the prettiest Cornell goal I've ever seen, and then Riley sent it to OT with 25 seconds remaining. Greening's second-OT rip put the Red into the championship game and the NCAA tournament.

Back in the day when folks had to work to get the highlights up.

One thing I'll give the NCHC is that their highlight clips show the plays developing.  Cornell Athletics should take a lesson from them and that Martytoo guy. ;-)

[andyw2100]

Memory lane: Cornell's only prior SF vs Princeton.

One of the best games in Cornell history, IMO. Princeton was 8th in the country and the defending champions, and if my memory serves me correctly Cornell likely had to win this game to make the NCAAs. Barlow's coast-to-coast goal with under 3 to play is possibly the prettiest Cornell goal I've ever seen, and then Riley sent it to OT with 25 seconds remaining. Greening's second-OT rip put the Red into the championship game and the NCAA tournament.

That win was made even sweeter by the fact that it much more than made up for the last second defeat at Lynah earlier in the season. Cornell had been up 1-0, and gave up two goals in the final 38 seconds to lose.

http://cornellbigred.com/news/2009/2/7/MICE_0207091856.aspx

I had sold one or two of my season tickets to a nice Princeton fan (and possibly her friend...my recollection is iffy on this point) and I believe she or they actually sat in the seats (in Section C) for some or all of the game.

What I do recall with clarity is that very shortly after the great win in Albany my daughters and I ran into her in a pizza place, and that she was incredibly gracious and congratulatory about our win.

Edit: And I believe that loss at Lynah is one of the reasons my daughter, now 24, --FREAKS THE F**K-- OUT-- (as she did last night) when anyone breaks out keys in a one goal game or when we're working on a shutout. If you've ever seen the small woman in the Topher Scott home jersey screaming (and possibly cursing) at Cornell fans in this situation, that was her.

[dbilmes]

Galajda vs Quinnipiac:

Code Select Expand


  W  2-1  60:00 28 1
  W  1-0  59:58 28 0
  W  9-1  46:10 12 1
  W  2-0  58:28 21 0[hr]4-0 14-2 224:36 89 2 0.53 .978

Since we like Q so much, here's one more fun fact: In 4 games against us this year, Q never had the lead.

[KenP]

One question I forgot to ask.  What's up with not one but two major penalties?  After the lengthy reviews I'll trust the refs that they were called right.  IMO no excuse for committing a major penalty.  Was it a mistake?  Are we just a bunch of goons?  Was it that easy for them to get under our skin?

[JasonN95]

One question I forgot to ask.  What's up with not one but two major penalties?  After the lengthy reviews I'll trust the refs that they were called right.  IMO no excuse for committing a major penalty.  Was it a mistake?  Are we just a bunch of goons?  Was it that easy for them to get under our skin?

I disagree with the first one on Angello. The Q player was not at a dangerous distance from the boards, turned away as the check was coming, and Angello kept hands down and hit with his body. Q player's head bounced against the glass and I suspect he milked that a bit. Second major seemed reasonable.

[ugarte]

One question I forgot to ask.  What's up with not one but two major penalties?  After the lengthy reviews I'll trust the refs that they were called right.  IMO no excuse for committing a major penalty.  Was it a mistake?  Are we just a bunch of goons?  Was it that easy for them to get under our skin?

I disagree with the first one on Angello. The Q player was not at a dangerous distance from the boards, turned away as the check was coming, and Angello kept hands down and hit with his body. Q player's head bounced against the glass and I suspect he milked that a bit. Second major seemed reasonable.

i didn't have a problem with either call but didn't think either hit was maliciously intended